# Joy Behar to Dems: lie to get elected
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [November 7, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103 "2019-11-07T02:12:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/21 "2019-11-07T22:37:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> Try a filthy, black, necrotic gangrenous lie.
You must REALLY hate this administration. Or the early-21st century one that lied to get the US into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people and spawned yet another terrorist organization.
Or is it only bad when a comedian SUGGESTS Democrats do it?
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/22 "2019-11-07T22:39:23Z")
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> Maybe someone should “joke” about how not only should abortion be illegal, but that women who illegally abort should be put to death as murderers. **J.K.!!!**
Missed this lovely bit. I’m glad you think it’s funny when people say things that lead to other people being killed. It says everything I need to know about the worth of your opinion.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/23 "2019-11-07T22:48:08Z")
:researches Joy Behar:
:researches ‘The View’:
Really, who cares if some rando with a part-time gig on a TV show gives stupid advice? What’s the purpose of this thread - to inform people that there’s someone named Joy Behar and she says stupid things?
Well… congrats?
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/24 "2019-11-07T22:53:00Z")
I bet **Lumpy** is fun at parties.
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### Author:  [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/25 "2019-11-07T23:24:24Z")
Sometimes the line between “marketing” and “lying” can get a little blurry. It seems to me that any honest person of any political persuasion who is genuinely interested in working with those of opposing viewpoints, without demonizing them, should be able to admit that this is true and that politicians of ALL political stripes do it. Now, we’re all going to draw that line differently depending on our values. Shodan has selected a highly partisan diatribe to prove his point that Obama “lied.” I would say that the Obama crowd “marketed.” But I can understand how others, with views like Shodan’s, would see it differently.
**Shodan,** the test for you is: can you concede that Republicans (as a general matter - let’s leave the specifics of Trump and his cronies out of it) also blur the line between marketing and lying sometimes? And that what a Republican campaign truly sees as being persuasive could be interpreted differently by someone who doesn’t share their views?
I’m interested to see whether you can still detect shades of gray. It seems like very few people on either side of the aisle can these days.
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/26 "2019-11-08T00:50:16Z")
I forget: Is Rush Limbaugh a [del]stand-up[/del] sit-down comic, or is he chief mentor for the Republican Party? Either way he was in the news recently for admitting to a lie. _ **He admitted that Republicans were never worried about deficit spending** _: all the deprecations and defecations were just a showy way of attacking D’s.
> [@JohnT](#):
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> What’s the purpose of this thread - to inform people that there’s someone named Joy Behar and she says stupid things?
It’s called Tu Quoque. We Americans needn’t worry about Trump selling out America or its allies anymore; and needn’t worry about children in cages; nor about racists encouraged to commit violence. We needn’t trouble our minds about the First Son-in-Law condoning the assassination of a U.S. jornalist; Turkey’s Erdogan taping that Kushner call; and using it to blackmail Trump into allowing Turks to massacre Kurds. We needn’t worry that Giuliani is probably a crook, that Betsy DeVos is a crook, that the entire Trump family is crooked. We needn’t trouble our little heads with any of that anymore.
Why not? Why are Trump’s crimes irrelevant now? _Because some obscure comic with a ‘(D)’ told a joke._
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/27 "2019-11-08T01:27:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Washington Times. Such a reliable source.
The camera doesn’t lie:
(First 10 seconds)
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/28 "2019-11-08T01:30:12Z")
So:
1. Yes, Behar did say that - it’s indisputable, right there on video.
2. She’s simply espousing common-sense strategy. A bit Machiavellian, yes, but she’s correct that not everything you want to do in politics is going to be palatable to voters, so it is politically suicidal to say things out loud that don’t need to be said out loud. Behar is perfectly correct.
3. Saying “Yes, but Republicans lie even more” is kind of a hijack of the thread. The thread isn’t about the R’s.
4. One wonders if Behar should have…taken her own advice to heart. Maybe don’t say out loud that “you should wait until elected to take guns away?” An inner repeating loop…
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### Author:  [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/29 "2019-11-08T03:25:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> So:
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> 1. Yes, Behar did say that - it’s indisputable, right there on video.
> 2. She’s simply espousing common-sense strategy. A bit Machiavellian, yes, but she’s correct that not everything you want to do in politics is going to be palatable to voters, so it is politically suicidal to say things out loud that don’t need to be said out loud. Behar is perfectly correct.
> 3. Saying “Yes, but Republicans lie even more” is kind of a hijack of the thread. The thread isn’t about the R’s.
> 4. One wonders if Behar should have…taken her own advice to heart. Maybe don’t say out loud that “you should wait until elected to take guns away?” An inner repeating loop…
…5. Why are you so concerned about what a talk-show host (who gets paid to say “talk-show things”) said on a talk-show?
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### Author:  [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/30 "2019-11-08T04:20:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> She’s the fucking host of a teevee show.
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> Sorry, but only Republican Presidents think that the host of a fucking teevee show is competent to give political advice.
And only Republican voters think the host of a TV show is competent to be the President.
It’s too bad **Clothahump** is no longer with us. This would have provided an amusing diversion in the Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day thread.
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/31 "2019-11-08T04:35:49Z")
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/32 "2019-11-08T06:52:41Z")
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/33 "2019-11-08T13:42:10Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#):
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> Sometimes the line between “marketing” and “lying” can get a little blurry. It seems to me that any honest person of any political persuasion who is genuinely interested in working with those of opposing viewpoints, without demonizing them, should be able to admit that this is true and that politicians of ALL political stripes do it. Now, we’re all going to draw that line differently depending on our values. Shodan has selected a highly partisan diatribe to prove his point that Obama “lied.” I would say that the Obama crowd “marketed.” But I can understand how others, with views like Shodan’s, would see it differently.
>
> **Shodan,** the test for you is: can you concede that Republicans (as a general matter - let’s leave the specifics of Trump and his cronies out of it) also blur the line between marketing and lying sometimes? And that what a Republican campaign truly sees as being persuasive could be interpreted differently by someone who doesn’t share their views?
>
> I’m interested to see whether you can still detect shades of gray. It seems like very few people on either side of the aisle can these days.
Sure, both sides do it. Except when my side does it, it’s marketing, or spin. When your side does it, it is outright lies.
It might be interesting to see if anyone else on the SDMB can [list=A][li]Leave the specifics of Trump out of it, [_]admit that sometimes Republicans are engaging in marketing rather than lies, and especially [_]admit that Democrats do the same thing as Republicans but it gets labeled differently based on political points of view.[/list]I will guess No.[/li]
As in, Rush Limbaugh counts because he has a talk show, and Behar doesn’t count, because she has a talk show, and AOC doesn’t count because she is just marketing, and Obama doesn’t count, because whataboutism is invalid. Except when I do it.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/34 "2019-11-08T13:51:02Z")
> [@septimus](#):
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> It’s called Tu Quoque.
Alanis Morissette needs to see this thread.
_It’s like a bunch of people who are engaging in classic tu quoque arguments accusing the person they’re arguing against of making a tu quoque argument…_
The meter needs work, but that’s why she gets paid the big bucks.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/35 "2019-11-08T19:49:08Z")
Just to be clear, when I am going to talk to the bank office to negotiate a equity loan, and my wife advises me that before I go in I should take off my Bally’s Casino baseball cap, she’s committing credit fraud right?
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### Author:  [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/36 "2019-11-08T20:43:26Z")
This is why Democrats are in trouble with Middle America…
Guns are part of American culture
Democrats should not run on gun confiscations.
Background checks, etc.
Even if you “get rid” of AR-15s, there will be loopholes.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/37 "2019-11-08T20:45:46Z")
Confounded loopholes. I HATE loopholes!
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/38 "2019-11-08T20:56:55Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#):
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> This is why Democrats are in trouble with Middle America…
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> Guns are part of American culture
About half of Americans, indeed, Middle Americans, don’t include guns as part of their culture. This is not about what societal segment’s culture is “American” or and what isn’t.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/39 "2019-11-08T21:14:26Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> So:
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> 1. Yes, Behar did say that - it’s indisputable, right there on video.
> 2. She’s simply espousing common-sense strategy. A bit Machiavellian, yes, but she’s correct that not everything you want to do in politics is going to be palatable to voters, so it is politically suicidal to say things out loud that don’t need to be said out loud. Behar is perfectly correct.
No. **She is joking**. It’s a hybrid of self-deprecating humor, and pretending to be the terrible person that your political opponent thinks you are. It’s a little like [Ingraham drinking a steak through a straw](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/laura-ingraham-tries-to-drink-light-bulb-steak-to-trigger-liberals_n_5d73c962e4b0fde50c2740cd).
I won’t vouch for the hilarity of Behar’s joke, but it’s ridiculous to treat it as anything other than a joke, to say, SEE? SEE?!?!?!?! THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS!!?!?!?!?!!!one!
No, folks: _that hysteria is what she’s making fun of_.
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/40 "2019-11-08T21:37:29Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#):
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> This is why Democrats are in trouble with Middle America…
>
> Guns are part of American culture
> Democrats should not run on gun confiscations.
>
> Background checks, etc.
>
> Even if you “get rid” of AR-15s, there will be loopholes.
The only Democrat that said anything serious about confiscating guns has already dropped out. You can keep arguing about it, but it’s a non-issue.
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