# Joy Reid Says She Was Hacked (But She Wasn't) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 28, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248 "2018-04-28T00:21:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/1 "2018-04-28T00:21:17Z")
Somehow, the claims made by Joy Reid that the ten-plus-year-old blog posts with vaguely homophobic language were fabrications seems to have gotten little attention here on the SDMB, or perhaps my search skills are lacking. [In short,](https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart): > [@](#): > > Last year, the AM Joy host apologized for a 2007 blog post in which she had mocked Florida’s then-Republican Gov. Charlie Crist by referring to him as “Miss Charlie” and suggested that while on honeymoon with his wife, he secretly wanted to sleep with men. > > Reid apologized on-air, suggesting she had evolved over a decade from those “insensitive, tone-deaf and dumb” remarks. > > But Monday, media-news site Mediaite published—using screenshots taken from The Wayback Machine’s cached versions of Reid’s blog—more homophobic blog posts from the late aughts. > . > . > . > Reid—a Daily Beast columnist—did not apologize this time around. Instead, she released a statement saying that “In December I learned that an unknown, external party accessed and manipulated material from my now-defunct blog… to include offensive and hateful references that are fabricated and run counter to my personal beliefs and ideology.” The linked article goes on to disassemble the hacking claims thoroughly. Without quoting at length: > [@](#): > > And she says a cybersecurity consultant has proof that her old blog has been hacked. > > But that consultant, Jonathan Nichols, had trouble producing the promised evidence. And what he did produce failed to withstand scrutiny, according to a Daily Beast analysis. Blog posts that Nichols claimed do not appear on the Internet Archive are, in fact, there. The indicators of hacked posts don’t bear out. For debate (since “resolved” seems to raise hackles for some bizarre reason): Reid is either deliberately lying, or – and this is a lifeline from the end of the linked article – she “genuinely believes at least some of the posts were planted. After 12 years and tens of thousands of written words, Reid simply may not remember.” My own view is that it’s unlikely that she doesn’t remember, when the specific posts are in front of her to refresh her recollection. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/2 "2018-04-28T00:28:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Somehow, the claims made by Joy Reid that the ten-plus-year-old blog posts with vaguely homophobic language were fabrications seems to have gotten little attention here on the SDMB, or perhaps my search skills are lacking. Who is Joy Reid and why should anyone care about this? That’s why I haven’t given this any attention here on the SDMB: I don’t even know who she is. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/3 "2018-04-28T00:46:11Z")
She’s a liberal cable talkshow host. Based on all the attention she is getting on Twitter, I believe she is firmly on one side or the other of the 2016 Dem primary fight, but I have no idea which. “I was hacked!” is the “dog ate my homework” of the new millenium. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/4 "2018-04-28T00:46:50Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Who is Joy Reid and why should anyone care about this? > > That’s why I haven’t given this any attention here on the SDMB: I don’t even know who she is. Do you ever watch MSNBC? If you do, then I find your claims frankly hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/5 "2018-04-28T01:05:39Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Do you ever watch MSNBC? Most people don’t. I’ve never heard of her. If you picked some random post I wrote here I wouldn’t remember writing most of them. Unless it was something I had thought particularly clever. It’s always weird when a zombie pops up in the user cp and I see what I wrote. But my inclination is she wrote it back when people.were less likely to react poorly en masse. iME when social media gets “hacked” it’s usually pretty random and to make you part of some bot nonsense. Was she someone anyone would have bothered targeting back then? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/6 "2018-04-28T01:16:44Z")
Her behavior about this is bizarre. She already apologized for this kind of thing, so why on earth wouldn’t she just refer people to her previous statement and _shut up_? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/7 "2018-04-28T01:18:09Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Do you ever watch MSNBC? > [@Ruken](#): > > Most people don’t. I’ve never heard of her. Ditto - this is the first I’ve ever heard of her. Based on **Bricker** ’s link, I’d have to agree that it sounds likely that she is another bigot that would prefer not to be thought of as one. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/8 "2018-04-28T01:29:29Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Do you ever watch MSNBC? If you do, then I find your claims frankly hard to believe. No, I don’t ever watch MSNBC. The second sentence of your post is bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/9 "2018-04-28T01:51:50Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Ditto - this is the first I’ve ever heard of her. Based on **Bricker** ’s link, I’d have to agree that it sounds likely that she is another bigot that would prefer not to be thought of as one. Or, she could have been telling the truth the first time she addressed the issue: that was how she thought then, and the intervening ten years have made her aware of many reasons that’s bigoted, and she has evolved a new position. I have no trouble believing that. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/10 "2018-04-28T02:53:24Z")
Well, Reid’s lawyer says the FBI has launched a criminal investigation, so she is either telling the truth, forgot the truth, or very, very stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/11 "2018-04-28T03:09:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > For debate (since “resolved” seems to raise hackles for some bizarre reason): Reid is either deliberately lying, or – and this is a lifeline from the end of the linked article – she “genuinely believes at least some of the posts were planted. After 12 years and tens of thousands of written words, Reid simply may not remember.” > > My own view is that it’s unlikely that she doesn’t remember, when the specific posts are in front of her to refresh her recollection. Or she’s telling the truth and she was hacked. She made some bad remarks about gay people in the past, which she has acknowledged and apologized for. Maybe some James O’Keefe/Andrew Breitbart/Alex Jones wannabe saw an opportunity to attack a liberal by adding some more slurs to Reid’s history. I find that possibility to be as credible as the possibility that Reid is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/12 "2018-04-28T03:11:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or, she could have been telling the truth the first time she addressed the issue: that was how she thought then, and the intervening ten years have made her aware of many reasons that’s bigoted, and she has evolved a new position. I have no trouble believing that. ^I tend to believe this explanation. NBC is sticking their corporate neck out pretty far on this. If they’ve pulled in the FBI, they must think there is compelling evidence on her side. Between this and the Tom Brokaw allegations, they are not having a great week for news people. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/13 "2018-04-28T03:38:48Z")
Never heard of her, but congrats to Bricker for finding a liberal who is (or at one times was) a homophobe, or at least nasty enough to make disparaging comments about homosexuality as a means of attacking someone she didn’t like. Find five or six thousand more cases just like it, and maybe it’ll become a significant fraction the size of the comparable hang-ups of the current version of the Republican Party, or ten times that many to take on the Christian right generally. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/14 "2018-04-28T03:58:51Z")
Is Joey Reed that guy with the pencil neck and the glasses, the very model of the modern liberal weenie? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/15 "2018-04-28T04:10:49Z")
I’ve been following this story a bit. I’m not sure what to make of it. The hacking excuse really doesn’t seem to hold up. But the new stuff that turned up isn’t any worse than the Crist stuff she’s already owned up to, so why lie about it? Also, if she did publish these, isn’t it weird that no one seems to remember having read them? She parlayed this blog into a television gig, right? It must have had an audience, right? I’m leaning towards the idea that she’s lying, but it’s all really odd either way. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/16 "2018-04-28T04:35:47Z")
Is he the very model of a modern liberal weenie-man? Filled to brim with Soviet-era sweeping economic plans. He goes to court to chant support for all abortions that he can And is dismayed should Roe v Wade be challenged by some dumb caveman. He’s very well acquainted with correctnesses political And gender forms with dual norms are simply unacceptable Speak free may all except of course when things get too offensible He shall be curt should feelings hurt because he is quite sensible. Upset was he that Hillary could not stage a victory show And horrorstruck he cursed the schmucks who cheered while orange Donald crowed He claimed that she, compared with he, was clearly a more thorough pro But secretly and all along, he was much more a Bernie Bro. On firearms he sees no harm in calling for an outright ban At nationalists, he’ll gladly hiss and call them members of the Klan, And chortle at his clever wit before he sits to eat some flan, In truth the very model of a modern liberal-weenie man. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/17 "2018-04-28T09:34:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > She parlayed this blog into a television gig, right? It must have had an audience, right? She’s recently high profile. According to wiki, her first journalism gig was working for a morning show in 1997. In 2000 she began her blog. In 2014 she retired the blog and became a TV personality. In between those 14 years she’s had several jobs and responsibilities within the industry. She’s also apologized for blog entries interpreted as homophobic before. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/18 "2018-04-28T11:37:48Z")
Here is an example of a thread from the same page as this one where someone noticed that some story was not currently being discussed. \*\* So I don’t see this anywhere… What do you think of this Alfie Evans case?\*\* > [@So I don't see this anywhere... What do you think of this Alfie Evans case?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-dont-see-this-anywhere-what-do-you-think-of-this-alfie-evans-case/813171/1): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/health/alfie-evans-appeal-bn/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/health/alfie-evans-appeal-bn/index.html) > > Long story short, the kid is dying of an incurable disease. … See what they did there? Just a quick summary of the story. Discussion ensues. Or you can take your conspiritorial accusatory approach. > [@Bricker](#): > > Somehow, the claims made by Joy Reid that the ten-plus-year-old blog posts with vaguely homophobic language were fabrications seems to have gotten little attention here on the SDMB, or perhaps my search skills are lacking. … ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/19 "2018-04-28T11:56:56Z")
For her to have been hacked, it would have had to have been back then. Given how little people seem to know about her now, I suspect she wasn’t important enough back then to have been hacked. It’s a stupid excuse, and only makes me doubt her claim that her views have evolved. Making obvious lies tends to do that. She likely didn’t come up because the few people who knew about it knew there was nothing to discuss. It seems unlikely she wasn’t lying. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248/20 "2018-04-28T13:12:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is he the very model of a modern liberal weenie-man? > Filled to brim with Soviet-era sweeping economic plans. > He goes to court to chant support for all abortions that he can > And is dismayed should Roe v Wade be challenged by some dumb caveman. > > He’s very well acquainted with correctnesses political > And gender forms with dual norms are simply unacceptable > Speak free may all except of course when things get too offensible > He shall be curt should feelings hurt because he is quite sensible. > > Upset was he that Hillary could not stage a victory show > And horrorstruck he cursed the schmucks who cheered while orange Donald crowed > He claimed that she, compared with he, was clearly a more thorough pro > But secretly and all along, he was much more a Bernie Bro. > > On firearms he sees no harm in calling for an outright ban > At nationalists, he’ll gladly hiss and call them members of the Klan, > And chortle at his clever wit before he sits to eat some flan, > In truth the very model of a modern liberal-weenie man. Brilliant!! Did you write this yourself — As a big Gilbert and Sullivan fan I’m very impressed. One small critique - as I patter this the 1st line of the 3rd verse doesn’t quite fit. It feels like it’s missing a syllable- big victory show works better . But it’s still brilliant and I’m saving it. Thanks [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-reid-says-she-was-hacked-but-she-wasnt/813248.md?page=2)