# Judge Crater "Found!" Sort Of! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 19, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734 "2005-08-19T13:14:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/1 "2005-08-19T13:14:45Z")
Today’s _NY Post_ headline, raising eyebrows on the subway (and the El, and the speakeasies): **I KILLED JUDGE CRATER! Vanish Mystery ‘Solved’** I’m disappointed that the words “fiend” and “slain” weren’t used, it being the _Post_ . . . But the story was better than I was expecting: > [@](#): > > August 19, 2005 - POST EXCLUSIVE: The NYPD has a hot new lead in the legendary disappearance of Judge Crater - and the killer may be one of their own. A note left by a recently deceased Queens woman says dapper Judge Joseph Force Crater - who vanished in 1930 - was killed by her husband, along with a city cop and his brother, and buried beneath the Coney Island boardwalk. Cops are now looking at human remains found during construction of the New York Aquarium. Funny, what with Judge Crater having been mentioned offhand in at least one thread this week . . . ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/2 "2005-08-19T13:18:12Z")
Cool! ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/3 "2005-08-19T13:19:05Z")
Judge Crater is a woman? Named Joseph? ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/4 "2005-08-19T13:19:32Z")
I could swear his name was Carter … but either way, that’s pretty cool! Did they ever dig up the end zone at Giants Stadium to see if Jimmy Hoffa was there? ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/5 "2005-08-19T13:25:12Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > Judge Crater is a woman? Named Joseph? > [@](#): > > recently deceased Queens woman says dapper Judge Joseph Force Crater - who vanished in 1930 - was killed by **her** husband, The her is the “recently deceased Queens woman”, not her, as in Judge Crater’s husband. Or have I been whoosed? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/6 "2005-08-19T13:27:29Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > Judge Crater is a woman? Named Joseph? You’re expecting any familiarity with correct grammar from the _NY Post?_ I like the part where you can’t tell if Crater was killed _with_ or _by_ the “city cop and his brother.” Now if they could just crack the William Desmond Taylor case . . . ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/7 "2005-08-19T13:57:53Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Now if they could just crack the William Desmond Taylor case . . . Maybe next week, they’ll find D.B. Cooper, too. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/8 "2005-08-19T14:14:33Z")
I’ll bet it’ll turn out that Judge Crater (who had been known as Little Charley Ross as a child) killed the Black Dahlia because she found out he was behind the William Desmond Taylor and Dot King murders . . . ---
**Author:** ![Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a8b319/32.png) [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spatial_Rift_47)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/9 "2005-08-19T14:24:55Z")
\ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/10 "2005-08-19T14:35:17Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I could swear his name was Carter … but either way, that’s pretty cool! > > Did they ever dig up the end zone at Giants Stadium to see if Jimmy Hoffa was there? The mythbuster guys got permission to take ground penetrating radar into Giants Stadium. First they buried a dead pig in concrete and let it rot for months. This gave them a benchmark of what the cavity would look like from a dead body. They didn’t find anything at the stadium. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/11 "2005-08-19T16:05:32Z")
I could swear I saw on TV that the place Jimmy Hoffa had been killed had been found. It was someone’s house. They found the bloodstains and everything. The guy who did it admitted it. Am I losing my mind or does anyone else remember this?? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/12 "2005-08-19T16:59:37Z")
And did Crater have an alibi for where he was when all those women were killed in Whitechapel? ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/13 "2005-08-19T17:06:26Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > I could swear I saw on TV that the place Jimmy Hoffa had been killed had been found. It was someone’s house. They found the bloodstains and everything. The guy who did it admitted it. Am I losing my mind or does anyone else remember this?? It was written up in the Detroit Free Press recently. There was a deathbed confession from the supposed trigger-man: a union member/enforcer who was friendly with Hoffa but claimed the mob had forced him to do it. There were blood stains found in the house, but they were so old that nothing could be determined from them. Not terribly conclusive, but then what reason would the fellow have to lie? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/14 "2005-08-19T19:03:13Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > You’re expecting any familiarity with correct grammar from the _NY Post?_ I like the part where you can’t tell if Crater was killed _with_ or _by_ the “city cop and his brother.” “I’ve got a law enforcement agent and his sibling, and I’m not afraid to use them! I want a helicopter and a buck sixty five in unmarked bills!” > [@Genghis Bob](#): > > It was written up in the Detroit Free Press recently. There was a deathbed confession from the supposed trigger-man: a union member/enforcer who was friendly with Hoffa but claimed the mob had forced him to do it. There were blood stains found in the house, but they were so old that nothing could be determined from them. Not terribly conclusive, but then what reason would the fellow have to lie? So he’d go down in history as “The man who murdered Jimmy Hoffa?” I can see someone about to die who’d never accomplished anything particularly noteworthy doing that right at the end, especially since he’ll be safe from any legal repurcussions, what with being dead and all. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/15 "2005-08-19T19:10:00Z")
Why thank you, **Genghis Bob** - I knew I was remembering SOMETHING. In completely unrelated news, we’ve started calling one of the regulars at our “neighborhood bar” D.B. - as in Cooper. He finds this amusing as all get out. Then again he’s like 127 years old, so, there ya go! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/16 "2005-08-19T19:17:40Z")
So then I guess he _isn’t_ going to call his office. If only he’d been a pubescent blonde girl, the case would’ve been solved in twenty minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/17 "2005-08-19T19:34:52Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > If only he’d been a pubescent blonde girl, the case would’ve been solved in twenty minutes. Not according to [Dot King](http://www.lawlessdecade.net/new1923-5.html), the Natalee Holloway of 1923! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/18 "2005-08-19T19:44:41Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > So then I guess he _isn’t_ going to call his office. > > If only he’d been a pubescent blonde girl, the case would’ve been solved in twenty minutes. Nah, they wouldn’t have found him any sooner. We’d just have been reading about him on the front page of the paper every day for the last seventy years. Incidentally: has anyone checked CNN’s offices or Rupert Murdoch’s basement for Natalee Holloway? They always say to follow the money in this sort of case… ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/19 "2005-08-19T19:59:46Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Not according to [Dot King](http://www.lawlessdecade.net/new1923-5.html), the Natalee Holloway of 1923! Nah, they found her. Now [Helen Brock](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/helen_brach/3.html?sect=26), she’s still missing. Though current thinking involves a [blast oven](http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/iteam/010605_ns_brach.html) at a steel mill. Melts in Your Molten Steel, Not in Your Hand! ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734/20 "2005-08-19T20:02:03Z")
:smack: Brach. Brach. Brach. Candy joke makes no sense otherwise. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-crater-found-sort-of/317734.md?page=2)