# Judge hammers ID creationists - Calls school board liars!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [December 20, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461 "2005-12-20T16:07:08Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461/21 "2005-12-20T19:38:29Z")

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> [@Tuckerfan](#):
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> What’s Latin for “pwn3d!”? 😃

Veni, vidi, vici? Or just vici, “I conquered”, perhaps?

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**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461/22 "2005-12-20T20:10:12Z")

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Best. opinion. written. Evar! 😃

I’m happily speechless. 😃 Big kudos to the Judge for writing such a strikingly clear and logical opinion, for calling bullshit and handing those school board buttheads’ asses to them on a silver platter.

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**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461/23 "2005-12-20T20:12:57Z")

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[Not everyone is so happy.](http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3107&program=News&callingPage=discoMainPage)

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> “The Dover decision is an attempt by an activist federal judge to stop the spread of a scientific idea and even to prevent criticism of Darwinian evolution through government-imposed censorship rather than open debate, and it won’t work,”

Let’s see, when SCOTUS ruled that flag burning was protected speech, Reagan fell off his horse, and when SCOTUS legalized sodomy, Strom Thurman kicked the bucket, any bets on what’s going to happen when/if this hits SCOTUS?

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**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461/24 "2005-12-20T20:13:11Z")

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Here’s another one:

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> Any asserted secular purposes by the Board are a sham and are merely  
> secondary to a religious objective. […] Defendants’ previously referenced flagrant and insulting falsehoods to  
> the Court provide sufficient and compelling evidence for us to deduce that any  
> allegedly secular purposes that have been offered in support of the ID Policy are  
> equally insincere.
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> Accordingly, we find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount  
> to a pretext for the Board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the  
> public school classroom, in violation of the Establishment Clause.

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**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-hammers-id-creationists-calls-school-board-liars/336461/25 "2005-12-20T22:12:43Z")

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[Fox News story.](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179256,00.html)

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> Napierskie, the former school board member, said the judge overstepped his boundaries.
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> “[Jones] should have separated the issues and disagreed with the school board decision, but not rule on ID itself. Intelligent design still needs to be debated and discussed,” Napierskie told FOX News.
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> Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school district and describes its mission as defending the religious freedom of Christians, said: “What this really looks like is an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God.”

:rolleyes:

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