# "juice" or blood in packaged beef? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 6, 2000, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235 "2000-09-06T15:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![racekarl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6bbea6/32.png) [@racekarl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racekarl)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/1 "2000-09-06T15:40:19Z")
I have all my life just assumed that the red fluid you find in a package of fresh beef (steak, whatever) is blood, perhaps a bit diluted by whatever was added or condensation. Then I came across a friend who insists that the fluid is some mystery “juice” that contains no blood. Is this possible? Who is right here? Is there any blood in the fluid? If so, what do you think the ratio of blood to misc other fluids is? ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/2 "2000-09-06T15:47:56Z")
I think your friend is in denial. You should agree politely and change the subject. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Necros](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/necros/32/11086_2.png) [@Necros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necros)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/3 "2000-09-06T16:55:33Z")
Tell him it’s “flavor juice.” Really, it’s blood, and other random fluids, like water and preservatives. I believe, that when you cook meat, the “juices” that are clear then are really fluids with the proteins (and red blood cells) cooked out. Probably, if your friend wants to remain a meat eater – and I’m no vegetarian, I just think it’s good advice – he or she should not look so close at what he or she is eating. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/4 "2000-09-06T18:07:40Z")
What’s keeping the blood from coagulating? Some mystery chemical they add at the slaughterhouse? Is it naturally that thin? Or is it mainly condensate and water with a bit of trace blood mixed in for color? If so, I gotta lean with **racekarl** ’s friend - it is juice, not blood. (Although I’d be hard pressed to say when it stopped being blood and became juice. Use your imagination and work with me, thankyouverymuch). ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/5 "2000-09-06T18:09:05Z")
I can’t find the article, but The Onion ([www.theonion.com](http://www.theonion.com)) said that vegetarians had declared cows to be either vegetables or fruit. Can’t remember which. So clearly that liquid is either “cow juice”, “bovine nectar”, or “cattle cider”. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/6 "2000-09-06T20:15:21Z")
I can’t find it in the book I thought I read it in, but I was under the impression the red juice was a water solution of sodium erythorbate. Sodium erythorbate is an antioxidant added to prevent the meat from turning an unappetizing brown color. It is the sodium salt of isoascorbic acid, a chemical relative of of vitamin C. ---
**Author:** ![jb\_farley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jb\_farley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jb_farley)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/7 "2000-09-06T21:24:27Z")
I don’t believe that it is blood per se. probably has a lot of the same componants as blood, but most of the red humours were drained at death. muscle juice. ---
**Author:** ![labdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5fc32e/32.png) [@labdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/labdude)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/8 "2000-09-06T21:28:41Z")
There is some blood or hemoglobin in the Juice, but mostly its intracellular fluid that leaked out because od cellular breakdown. Packages of meat with the “blood” stuff are older than the “no blood” meat. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/9 "2000-09-06T21:30:47Z")
You could search this extensive site, [http://www.beef.org](http://www.beef.org) for the answer to your question. I fooled around over there for about 15 minutes (It’s a huge site and I’m gonna bookmark it), but didn’t find anything terribly relevant. I was very disappointed to see they are no longer publishing [_The Beef Brief_](http://www.beef.org/library/publications/beef_brief/index.htm), however all the old issues are available on line. I did find this from a Canadian beef organization. [http://www.beefinfo.org](http://www.beefinfo.org) > [@](#): > > - Q. Is it illegal to add any colouring, additives or preservatives to fresh beef?\* > A. Government regulations prohibit the use of colouring, additives or preservatives in fresh beef. Here’s something you may find interesting, though, or at least weird, that I ran across while searching for an answer to this question, the [Fire and Explosion Hazards](http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19960604.html) associated with the manufacture of dried beef blood. Quoting the summary paragraph: > [@](#): > > Our concern is based on one batch of dried beef blood collected from one site. Our literature search revealed no values for the dried beef blood ignition sensitivity and explosive severity. Therefore, additional samples may be needed to better define these values. Nevertheless, the combustible nature of dried beef blood suggests that importers, manufacturers, distributors, and users of the product should be aware of our findings. ---
**Author:** ![Gunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/10 "2000-09-06T22:02:09Z")
Condensed water + blood. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/11 "2000-09-06T22:02:58Z")
What the hell is “condensed water?” ---
**Author:** ![Necros](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/necros/32/11086_2.png) [@Necros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necros)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/12 "2000-09-06T22:35:32Z")
Never mind that. Dried beef blood is _combustible_?!? ---
**Author:** ![RickG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rickg/32/5174_2.png) [@RickG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickG)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/13 "2000-09-06T22:57:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Necros \* > \*\*Never mind that. Dried beef blood is _combustible_?!? \*\* Sure. Pretty much any finely divided, dry, organic material is combustible. Grain silos are quite dangerous because of all the organic dust in the air. Rick ---
**Author:** ![Engineer\_Don](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e95f7d/32.png) [@Engineer\_Don](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Engineer_Don)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/14 "2000-09-06T23:31:27Z")
They do drain the blood, but they do it by hanging the carcass, not with suction pumps. They wash the carcass with clean water, then they cool or freeze the beef. The watering down and the cooling or freezing prevent clotting. If you are looking at cuts packaged in the store something is wrong. You are paying by weight usually, and if they are charging you for added liquid water you are getting screwed. If you are talking about the blood/water mix when you defrost a cut at home, it is probably related to condensation and normal defrosting. Condensation is when moisture (water vapor) in the air becomes liquid water by coming in contact with cold things. You also get frost and moisture absorption when you cool/freeze things, so you get the same water back when you defrost it, plus a little of what ever the water was in contact with. The same thing happens with cut frozen veggies. The meat packers don’t add anti-coagulents or anything like that that I know of because it wouldn’t do anything useful. Preventing a stroke in the cow at this point isn’t a big priority. The “juice” run off from cooking is just a combo of intercellular fluid (as stated above) and liquified fat. You can check this by letting it resolidify in the frying pan. Cow blood is used for all sorts of stuff. We have a local place that takes tankers of the stuff, seperates the white and red blood cells, and then dries it into powders. They sell it for high end dog food, fish food, protein additives, and a bunch of other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Whammo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8dc957/32.png) [@Whammo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whammo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/15 "2000-09-07T01:32:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by labdude \* > \*\*There is some blood or hemoglobin in the Juice, but mostly its intracellular fluid that leaked out because od cellular breakdown. \*\* Bingo. On the money. If you freeze your beef and then thaw it you will find even more fluid due to cellular rupture from freezing. Water is sometimes added to cheap ground beef however to increase its weight. My father has seen it with his own eyes, the butcher was putting beef into the grinder and adding water with a pitcher and alternating. Ever pick up ground beef to make a hamburger and squeezed about a half cup of water out of 1/4 pound? Too much for cellular breakdown if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Gunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/16 "2000-09-07T04:13:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*What the hell is “condensed water?” \*\* The water vapor that condenses on the inside of the packaging. Put food in a ziploc baggie in the fridge for a while–see the little drops of water on the inside? ---
**Author:** ![Lazarus7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/67e7ee/32.png) [@Lazarus7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lazarus7)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/17 "2000-09-07T06:46:01Z")
mmmmmm … that is the tastiest part!!! ---
**Author:** ![JavaMaven1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@JavaMaven1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JavaMaven1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/18 "2000-09-07T08:01:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Whammo \* > \*\*Water is sometimes added to cheap ground beef however to increase its weight. My father has seen it with his own eyes, the butcher was putting beef into the grinder and adding water with a pitcher and alternating. Ever pick up ground beef to make a hamburger and squeezed about a half cup of water out of 1/4 pound? Too much for cellular breakdown if you ask me. \*\* Water is added to a meat grinder not only to add to the weight, but is also added for the actual ease of grinding. Have you ever worked with an industrial size meat grinder? Meat gets stuck in the mechanism like you wouldn’t believe, and for a butcher that is trying to use every bit of product he has, he’s going to throw in some water to push things along. Of course, this also gets into the product and pushes down the quality of the meat, but then again, the water also helps replace fluids that will be lost in the grinding process. I’ve had to do the same thing when making sausages–usually a ratio of about a pint of water to every 10 lbs. of meat. ---
**Author:** ![FarTreker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@FarTreker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FarTreker)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/19 "2000-09-07T09:52:09Z")
I assumed that it was blood, perhaps mixed with water, because most cuts of meat come on an absorbent pad in the package. Most have little ‘drainage’ when you buy them, but more appears after you freeze and then defrost it. More seeps out when cooking and forms that delicious brownish ‘gel’ that I love to scrape up, salt and eat. I’ll even pour the ‘juice’ from the package into the pan, season it, cook it and savor that mass of stuff. You can even cook it down to a tougher mass and it’s tasty! ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2000, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235/20 "2000-09-09T01:58:53Z")
Here’s the straight dope on the original question: The red “juice” you see in most packaged meat is composed mostly myoglobin, which is a water-soluble protein. Its purpose is to store oxygen the hemoglobin has brought to the tissues. A small percentage may consist of other liquids, including blood. But it’s mostly myoglobin. The myoglobin actually gives the meat a purplish hue immediately after it has been cut. But once oxygen in the air acts on it, the myoglobin turns the meat red. Consumers judge red meat as “fresh.” The clear film wrapping you see on packaged meat allows oxygen to pass through, thus giving the meat the “red look” for many days. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/juice-or-blood-in-packaged-beef/32235.md?page=2)