# July 4, 2019: Trumpendence Day! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425 "2019-06-12T14:13:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/1 "2019-06-12T14:13:20Z")
According to the Associated Press, [Trump’s 4th of July celebration is “a mystery”](https://apnews.com/8dd34163374d4cf89cb6bd817dc948c9). I guess that’s the polite way of saying “a shitshow of epic proportions”. > [@](#): > > Will Independence Day festivities be centered around the Washington Monument or shift to the Lincoln Memorial, as the White House has reportedly requested? Will Trump follow through on his plans to give a speech? And, if he does, will the speech be open to anyone, including protesters, or will the White House restrict his audience to supporters at the traditionally nonpolitical event? > > The White House hasn’t revealed its plans. The National Park Service, which is primarily responsible for the event, has also gone silent. That leaves the city government, which helps with security, in the dark. > > Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia’s representative in Congress, said interdepartmental planning meetings for July 4 usually begin up to three months in advance. But to her knowledge, none of those meetings has happened. > > “The city is scrambling to figure out what to do, because all they have is the outline of what (the White House) wants,” Norton said. She said she approached the Park Service for details but: “They wouldn’t tell us a thing. You know why? Because they don’t know a thing.” Isn’t this normally an event that draws hundred of thousands of people to DC? Hundreds of thousands incoming with no destination and no security plan? Is that wise? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/2 "2019-06-12T14:25:59Z")
Trump could use a lesson on successful event planning from his buddies Kim and Vlad. I think he’s conflicted on the event. On the one hand, lot’s of people will show up. On the other, the majority will be protesters. I guess satellite images can be doctored to hide the protest signs, but how do you keep the pesky fake news media from taking photos? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/3 "2019-06-12T14:45:39Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Trump could use a lesson on successful event planning from his buddies Kim and Vlad. > > I think he’s conflicted on the event. On the one hand, lot’s of people will show up. On the other, the majority will be protesters. I guess satellite images can be doctored to hide the protest signs, but how do you keep the pesky fake news media from taking photos? They’re probably working on plans to have only the State Media (Fox News) covering the event. No other newspapers or TV. The State Media will report on what Dear Leader wants us to know. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/4 "2019-06-12T15:04:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Trump could use a lesson on successful event planning from his buddies Kim and Vlad. > > I think he’s conflicted on the event. On the one hand, lot’s of people will show up. On the other, the majority will be protesters. I guess satellite images can be doctored to hide the protest signs, but how do you keep the pesky fake news media from taking photos? No need to. Just keep yelling fake news and the base will eat it up. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/5 "2019-06-12T15:04:45Z")
Ooh, I’ll be the city government could get Speaker Pelosi to write a nice letter for them. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/6 "2019-06-12T15:29:51Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Trump could use a lesson on successful event planning from his buddies Kim and Vlad. > > I think he’s conflicted on the event. On the one hand, lot’s of people will show up. On the other, the majority will be protesters. I guess satellite images can be doctored to hide the protest signs, but how do you keep the pesky fake news media from taking photos? Classic often repeated relevant [Trope](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y2R01k4SXI). I am of the opinion that Trump has been so sheltered that he truly has no idea what most people actually think of him. He may be in for a surprise. From a previous thread I started about this: > [@How will Trump's 4th of July address pan out?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-trumps-4th-of-july-address-pan-out/833954/1): > > But in actuality the crowd will be made primarily of locals who: (1) vote reliably vote Democrat over Republican by a[factor of twelve to 1](https://www.270towin.com/states/District_of_Columbia); (2) largely work for the federal government, and so still have bitter feeling towards their being used as pawns in his shutdown fight over the stupid border wall; (3) probably feel the same way as I do about having what is normally a nice day for a picnic, fireworks, good music, and a chance to feel good about their country transformed into an event celebrating a man that is the embodiment of everything that is making them feel bad about it. Needless to say, its not going to be the friendly crowd of MAGA heads that Trump is used to. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/7 "2019-06-12T15:58:38Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I am of the opinion that Trump has been so sheltered that he truly has no idea what most people actually think of him. He may be in for a surprise. He knows exactly what people think of him and why. He’s known it his entire worthless life and every day is just another reminder of his long list of failures. Narcissism and pathological lying are his only coping mechanisms of survival. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/8 "2019-06-12T15:59:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > According to the Associated Press, [Trump’s 4th of July celebration is “a mystery”](https://apnews.com/8dd34163374d4cf89cb6bd817dc948c9). I guess that’s the polite way of saying “a shitshow of epic proportions”. "A shitshow of epic proportions: sums up the Trump Presidency _perfectly._ ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/9 "2019-06-12T16:15:11Z")
Sparklers and the White House staff in the rose garden. It’s going to be epic. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/10 "2019-06-12T16:20:14Z")
Catering by McDonalds. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/11 "2019-06-12T16:21:32Z")
So where is the Kickstarter/GoFundMe to buy mass quantities of tomatoes and distribute them to the crowd? You know, because people might get hungry. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/12 "2019-06-12T16:38:18Z")
I’m just going to lay this out here: Trump can’t plan a two car parade. Ultimately, there will be no Trump speech on the Fourth of July. That’s my prediction. I hope I’m not proven wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/13 "2019-06-12T17:05:31Z")
There’s already a protest afoot. They’re planning on the angry baby Trump balloon, plus tees showing the same character, and encouraging people to go to carry air horns and use them liberally (ha!). ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/14 "2019-06-12T17:19:51Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > There’s already a protest afoot. They’re planning on the angry baby Trump balloon, plus tees showing the same character, and encouraging people to go to carry air horns and use them liberally (ha!). You know, I hate parade balloons. But that’s one ugly ass balloon I would be happy to see permanently parked in full view of the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/15 "2019-06-12T17:40:41Z")
As a non-resident of DC, I ask, what were the last two celebrations like? Did Il Douche stay away? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/16 "2019-06-12T17:51:31Z")
The more I think about this, the less sense it makes. Surely, where to hold a speech is something that the President has the authority to decide unilaterally. So if he wants it in front of the Lincoln Memorial, all he has to do is tell one of his staff “I want to speak at the Lincoln Memorial on July 4. Make all the arrangements.”. Or, even if he’s forgotten to do this, I’d expect the appropriate staffer (presumably someone with the Secret Service, because it involves security) would ask “Where would you like to give your Fourth of July speech, sir?” “The Lincoln Memorial.” “Very well, Mr. President, shall I make the arrangements?” About the only possibility I can think of is that he wants Lincoln, but one of his staff has made some argument for why the Washington Monument is better, and he’s too phobic to make a decision. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/17 "2019-06-12T18:04:08Z")
> [@Associated Press](#): > > Will Independence Day festivities be centered around the Washington Monument or shift to the Lincoln Memorial, as the White House has reportedly requested? Will Trump follow through on his plans to give a speech? And, if he does, will the speech be open to anyone, including protesters, or will the White House restrict his audience to supporters at the traditionally nonpolitical event? > > The White House hasn’t revealed its plans. I’m guessing it was a really, really slow news day. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/18 "2019-06-12T18:04:19Z")
I bet he’s already demanded that the statue of Lincoln be removed so that he could sit in the giant chair to give his huge speech. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/19 "2019-06-12T18:04:44Z")
Trump making a public appearance before a crowd that wasn’t vetted, invited, and/or paid? I’ll believe it when I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425/20 "2019-06-12T18:20:29Z")
It’s going to be at the site of the future Trump Monument. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/july-4-2019-trumpendence-day/835425.md?page=2)