# June 29th hearing-did Trump break any laws? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 30, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185 "2022-06-30T14:57:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/1 "2022-06-30T14:57:25Z")
He apparently wanted his followers to be allowed to bring guns to the Capitol. He thought Pence deserved to be hanged. He wanted to go to the Capitol despite SS refusal. Was he described as breaking any law in the testimony? ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/2 "2022-06-30T15:27:21Z")
It seems to me that the committee’s strategy includes presenting lots of evidence, and leaving questions of law to the DOJ. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/3 "2022-06-30T15:36:59Z")
Of course. I am curious if anyone sees any of the testimony as describing anything criminal. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/4 "2022-06-30T15:43:37Z")
Ah. Gotcha. I’ve only seen clips, so I’m no help there. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/5 "2022-06-30T16:03:21Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Was he described as breaking any law in the testimony? Seditious conspiracy, in that he actively tried to help people he knew were going to march on the capitol to commit violence to stop the election certification process. He’s complicit in the same crime a number of those rioters were charged with, because we have testimony that he knew they were armed and dangerous, and he did nothing to stop them (he instead encouraged them and wanted to personally lead them, but the Secret Service wouldn’t let him go there). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/6 "2022-06-30T16:21:54Z")
Trump apparently ordered his Consigliere’s (Flynn Stone) and to work with the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys to plan the attack on the Capitol, in order to overturn the election. The lower level guys have now been indicted and some have pled guilty. No doubt some are now cooperating with the JD. This is classic mobster tactics. And Trump is the head of the crime family. > **[Trump Told Meadows to Call Roger Stone and Michael Flynn Day Before Capitol...](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-roger-stone-michael-flynn-jan-6-1375571/)** > > Stone, a former Trump adviser, has ties to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, extremist groups who were present during the Capitol attack ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/7 "2022-06-30T16:25:37Z")
Right now, I imagine the Justice Dept. is VERY interested in specific content of those phone calls that Meadows made to Flynn and Stone on January 5, the day before the insurrection. Meadows is next up the chain. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/8 "2022-06-30T17:18:21Z")
If they can see direct coordination between Trump’s team and one or more groups involved in the riots then that’ll make the case even stronger. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/9 "2022-06-30T17:30:39Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Seditious conspiracy, in that he actively tried to help people he knew were going to march on the capitol to commit violence to stop the election certification process. Thanks, good point. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/10 "2022-06-30T22:29:55Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Seditious conspiracy, in that he actively tried to help people he knew were going to march on the capitol to commit violence to stop the election certification process. More specifically… 18 USC Section 2384 > [@](#): > > If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. > **[18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384)** ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/11 "2022-06-30T23:16:23Z")
Sounds like that would cover many of them. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/12 "2022-07-01T16:04:29Z")
> # Roger Stone > > ### 1970s: Nixon campaign, Watergate and Reagan 1976 > > Stone’s political career began in earnest on the 1972 Nixon campaign, with activities such as contributing money to a possible rival of Nixon in the name of the Young Socialist Alliance and then slipping the receipt to the _Manchester Union-Leader_. Eventually {Jeb} Magruder and Herbert Porter hired Stone to spy on rival presidential campaigns during the 1972 Democratic Party presidential primaries. Stone subsequently hired Michael McMinoway to infiltrate campaigns of candidates such as Edmund Muskie and Hubert Humphrey. He also hired a spy in the Humphrey campaign who became Humphrey’s driver. According to Stone, during the day he was officially a scheduler in the Nixon campaign, but “By night, I’m trafficking in the black arts. Nixon’s people were obsessed with intelligence.” Stone maintains he never did anything illegal during the Watergate scandal. {…} Just making the point that we really shouldn’t be surprised when folks like Stone and others involved Watergate (et al) are allowed to participate in politics that this shit is what’s happens. In fact we should be very ashamed. I’ll also point out that if you look into the history of many Republican scandals you’ll find actors that had some role in the Nixon Presidency/Watergate. We _allow_ them to do this to us. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/13 "2022-07-01T16:38:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’ll also point out that if you look into the history of many Republican scandals you’ll find actors that had some role in the Nixon Presidency/Watergate. IMO, Nixon should have been jailed, along with Stone and everyone else who participated. I know there were some jail terms handed out (Liddy, Hunt, Mitchell, Haldeman, Erlichman, etc.), but they were not long enough and Nixon should have gotten life. This just emboldened later administrations to commit crimes. Reagan, along with his co-conspirators should have been jailed for Iran-Contra. All this has done is make it clear that Republicans are free and clear to commit crimes. If this latest Trump Insurrection attempt merely results in some foot-soldiers getting a slap on the wrist, then we’ll just continue to see Republicans committing crimes and subverting elections; It’s what they do - it’s what _we let them do._ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/14 "2022-07-01T17:10:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > IMO, Nixon should have been jailed, along with Stone and everyone else who participated. I know there were some jail terms handed out (Liddy, Hunt, Mitchell, Haldeman, Erlichman, etc.), but they were not long enough and Nixon should have gotten life. We’re there state crimes he violated? He was pardoned for any federal crimes he committed in office. Unless your point is to grumble about Gerald Ford, in which case, I have no objection to that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/june-29th-hearing-did-trump-break-any-laws/967185/15 "2022-07-01T19:11:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Unless your point is to grumble about Gerald Ford, in which case, I have no objection to that. Definitely. “healing the nation” does not have to mean “let my fellow Republicans get away with crimes”