# Junkies, faggots and Africans - who cares if they die? pluralgravity doesn't... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449 "2002-07-11T17:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/1 "2002-07-11T17:09:51Z")
Since we’re all been tripping all over ourselves in Great Debates trying not to get ourselves banned for our reactions to this particularly touchy OP, I figured I’d start the Pit thread to keep us sane. The Thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124537&perpage=50&pagenumber=1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124537&perpage=50&pagenumber=1) The OP: **pluralgravity** Have at it. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/2 "2002-07-11T17:10:59Z")
he’s been smoking Dirty Tina. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/3 "2002-07-11T17:46:32Z")
**Twisty** : If ‘Dirty Tina’ is an extremely potent mix of crack and Draino, I’m right with you. (What is Dirty Tina, by the way? I steer clear of slang in general.) [spontaneous channel of Shakespeare] What a piece of work is **pluralgravity**! how lacking in reason! how limited in faculty! in bile and spittle how annoying and deplorable! in posting how like a turd! in apprehension how like a slug! the pitstain of the fora! the bad joke of the animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of crack? shit delights not me: no, nor illogic neither, though by my parody I seem to say so. [/spontaneous channel of Shakespeare] -Hamlet I ain’t. 😃 [Searchable Shakespeare (all plays and poems)](http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~matty/Shakespeare/test.html) ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/4 "2002-07-11T18:13:37Z")
A man A plan A canal **Panama** ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/5 "2002-07-11T19:44:43Z")
I have this theory. Try to follow me. I think that people like plural and brutus and others who insist that All Our Problems[sup]tm[/sup] would be solved if everyone were monogamous (preferably heterosexual) and moral and uptight… I mean upright… citizens and all… Aren’t getting any sex. Not only aren’t they getting any, but they’re completely incapable of getting any. That’s what sets them apart from the people who choose to be celebate, or the ones that are simply going through a dry spell. No, they recognize that there’s no way in hell they’re ever going to get laid. So, since chastity has been forced upon them, they use their frustration to make miserable the lives of others. I’m reminded of something Mr. Kitty said once about a friend who is the most undersexed person I’ve ever met in my life. I truly feel sorry for her husband. I mentioned, after a particularly turbulent period in her life, that perhaps she should consider antidepressents. Mr. Kitty looked at me in horror and said “No! Then she’ll be going to _other_ people’s houses and making them stop having sex!” It’s just a theory. But perhaps I’m right… -BK ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/6 "2002-07-11T19:49:34Z")
Oh well, sadly there are many asses like him in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/7 "2002-07-11T20:03:18Z")
Thank you, **bobkitty** , for that perfect example of an _ad hominem_ argument…Timmy ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/8 "2002-07-11T20:11:35Z")
[ul][_]\*\*Debating the desirability of a vaccine that would benefit forty million people – worth it?[_]Oxygen for people displaying pluralgravity’s sociopathic lack of empathy – worth it?[/ul]\*\*An unqualified “no” on both points from _this_ punter, at any rate. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/9 "2002-07-11T20:22:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tim R. Mortiss \* > \*\*Thank you, **bobkitty** , for that perfect example of an _ad hominem_ argument…Timmy \*\* That’s what this thread is all about, Timmy. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/10 "2002-07-11T20:31:11Z")
“Dirty Tina” is the inventive mixture of Crack and Crystal Meth. Yummy. ---
**Author:** ![crazy4chaucer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@crazy4chaucer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazy4chaucer)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/11 "2002-07-11T20:31:50Z")
I care. When I went back to the thread to scan through it, I was saddened by the complete disregard of the lives of others exhibited by some of the posters. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/12 "2002-07-11T20:33:16Z")
What’s that Lassie? Timmy got lost? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/13 "2002-07-11T20:46:17Z")
**bobkitty** : I don’t get any sex either, so let’s watch the whole chimerical cause and effect notion! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/14 "2002-07-11T21:32:00Z")
From that thread, in response to me calling him ignorant, **pluralgravity** said > [@](#): > > Woo-hoo cainxinth > > quote: > ‘‘Its 3AM Saturday night your drunk and horny, there’s a hot chick sitting on your lap…’’ > > Oh crap, its Francesca Fuck. You. The only way you’d get me sitting on your lap is to muffle the sound of you talking out of your arse, you fucking weasel. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/15 "2002-07-11T21:38:13Z")
I didn’t understand that comment… what is supposed to be wrong with you, **Francesca**? Was there some cryptic reference to another thread that I wasn’t aware of or what? ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/16 "2002-07-11T21:41:00Z")
I can see why the OP in that thread is touchy. Putting aside whatever the poster’s motivation was, the issue is rather sensitive. It is hard for people to divorce the morality issue from the causality issue. When somebody says that most cases of AIDS are contracted due to behaviours that could have been easily abstained from, somebody immediately reacts as if those behaviours had been morally attacked. That may be the case with that thread’s OP, but it is not necessarily the case with others making that argument. To assert that one’s actions _caused_ one to contract a disease is not equivalent to saying that it’s that person’s _fault_ he/she has the disease, because _fault_ carries a moral connotation. If the scarcity of resources available for medical research forces this sort of decision upon the world, people need to leave their moral worldviews out of it. People should not make moral valuations of behaviours that are causes of contracting AIDS. Likewise, those on the other side of the debate should avoid committing the genetic fallacy by saying “I know why these people are making this argument, they’re dirty homophobic bastards, so their argument is wrong.” Of course anyone ought to desire a vaccine that would save lives. The issue is whether we desire our limited resources to be directed at development of a vaccine for one disease or another disease. If I only have the resources to save life “A” or life “B”, am I lacking empathy when I choose one or the other? I don’t think so. That issue, like any worthy issue, can be debated without moral overtones on either side. As for the substantive issue, I abstain. I personally oppose the idea of artificially “allocating” resources, as I am an advocate of the free market even in the field of medicine, so I neither support nor oppose directed research in one field or another. If there are private investors willing to fund the research and scientists willing to do the research then it’s none of my business whether they research an AIDS vaccine, a cure for breast cancer, or how to make spiffy aluminum helmets for tree squirrels. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/17 "2002-07-11T22:05:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*I didn’t understand that comment… what is supposed to be wrong with you, **Francesca**? Was there some cryptic reference to another thread that I wasn’t aware of or what? \*\* duh eris…she had the gall to criticise him! that means she’s too gross to have sex with! don’t you get anything? sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/18 "2002-07-11T22:48:21Z")
:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Alex\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_B)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/19 "2002-07-11T22:50:27Z")
Congratulations, **pluralgravity**. You are the subject of my first flame. _ahem_ Go fuck yourself, you vomit-encrusted, puss-drinking, face-slappingly juvenile, maggot-munching, three-toed, ear-wax sniffing, cow-sweat drinking, toad-abusing, rat-wanking, Sesame Street-hating, exercise bike-sniffing, advertising executive-admiring, bizarrely troubling excuse for a human being. I wonder if you’ve entertained your wife, children, grandchildren and other descendants with your enlightened views on the deserved fate of gays, junkies, Africans and women-married-to-faithless-irresponsible-fuckwits. By the way, leave my girlfriend alone. I thank you all for your attention. Except you, **pluralgravity**. You can fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2002, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449/20 "2002-07-11T23:01:55Z")
[quote] By the way, leave my girlfriend alone.\*\* For clarification purposes, that’d be me. We’re a charming couple. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/junkies-faggots-and-africans-who-cares-if-they-die-pluralgravity-doesnt/118449.md?page=2)