# Jury ID protection? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 31, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331 "2024-05-31T12:20:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/1 "2024-05-31T12:20:54Z")
After following the Trump trial and thinking about the toxicity of the Trumpists, MAGAts, and GOP, I was thinking about the safety of the jurists. As such, for the legal experts here, if I was a juror, would it be legal if I wore a mask during the conduct of the trial? Notwithstanding all of the other identity protections in place, there’s no way that I would want my face to be visible to any pro-Trump person in that courtroom. Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/2 "2024-05-31T12:38:48Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > As such, for the legal experts here, if I was a juror, would it be legal if I wore a mask during the conduct of the trial? I’ll let the legal experts answer this question with respect to hiding one’s identity. But I have a related question: what if a juror wants to wear a mask while inside a crowded courtroom to minimize the risk of getting Covid? I know a lot of people still wearing masks indoors either because they are immunocompromised or because they fear getting long Covid. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/3 "2024-05-31T12:41:30Z")
> [@robby](#): > > what if a juror wants to wear a mask while inside a crowded courtroom to minimize the risk of getting Covid? I know a lot of people still wearing masks indoors either because they are immunocompromised or because they fear getting long Covid. That’s a really interesting question. And depending on the answer we get from the experts, that could be a solid option. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/4 "2024-05-31T12:50:36Z")
Does jury tampering apply after the trial? i could see where attacking jurors after the verdict could have a chilling effect on future jurors. I guess it depends on the wording of the law. Plus, can a judge issue a permanent “gag order” on disclosing jurors’ names? I know Canada, for example, has a law on disclosing the names of young offenders. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/5 "2024-05-31T13:03:17Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > if I was a juror, would it be legal if I wore a mask during the conduct of the trial? Anecdote: I was on a jury last year and wore a mask at all times while in the courthouse and in the courtroom. No one ever mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/6 "2024-05-31T18:34:35Z")
After other high-profile trials haven’t they’ve released jurors names? If those other high-profile trials are any indication either Dateline or 20/20 will have 6-8 of them on tonight discussing the trial & why they found him guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Cugel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cugel/32/1199_2.png) [@Cugel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cugel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/7 "2024-05-31T23:54:38Z")
Where I live, it’s illegal to disclose identities of jurors, and of deliberations. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/8 "2024-05-31T23:59:06Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > Plus, can a judge issue a permanent “gag order” on disclosing jurors’ names? I know Canada, for example, has a law on disclosing the names of young offenders. The people who would dox the jurors would not be deterred by a gag order. Can’t let the law interfere with your holy duty. And if they did get jailed for contempt, it would just be yet ANOTHER sign of how corrupt the gummint has gotten, persecuting us right-thinking murricans. Sadly, I think it won’t be long before at least some jurors get exposed and face huge amounts of harassment and genuine danger. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/9 "2024-06-01T00:41:09Z")
Anyone who works with one of the jurors knows who they are in all likelihood although they may not know if they were an alternate or not. They missed work in too obvious a pattern. Friends and acquaintances will probably know as well. The names will come out. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/10 "2024-06-01T05:44:44Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > … the safety of the **jurists** … Jurors. A [jurist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist) is a trained legal scholar. There was a lawyer or two in Trump’s jury, but most were not. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/11 "2024-06-01T10:58:29Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > The people who would dox the jurors would not be deterred by a gag order. Can’t let the law interfere with your holy duty. And if they did get jailed for contempt, it would just be yet ANOTHER sign of how corrupt the gummint has gotten, persecuting us right-thinking murricans. Yup. And Trump is all about retribution. He’ll encourage it with mob boss speak. The hell with presidential duties (god help us if he’s elected) ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/12 "2024-06-01T11:52:18Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > After other high-profile trials haven’t they’ve released jurors names? If those other high-profile trials are any indication either Dateline or 20/20 will have 6-8 of them on tonight discussing the trial & why they found him guilty. I kind of hope at least 18 of these jurors understand how significantly different this trial is from any others, especially when it comes to remaining anonymous for the next few years. > [@hajario](#): > > Anyone who works with one of the jurors knows who they are in all likelihood although they may not know if they were an alternate or not. They missed work in too obvious a pattern. Friends and acquaintances will probably know as well. The names will come out. How many other jury trials are going on in Manhattan at the same time? With roughly the same hours. All you have to do is say “I coulda been in that trial, but I got to hear some stupid drug case instead.” Reasonable doubt. I wonder if a more obvious source is the court staff. It only takes one to spill the beans. However… what stops some idiot from picking names out of a phone book and posting those (except the lack of a phone book?). Shades of the misidentification during the hunt for the Boston Marathon bombers. One juror was from Ireland - how many people have the name Catherine Murphy or Mary O’Hara or Bridgit O’Shea or whatever in New York City? ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/13 "2024-06-01T12:18:28Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > After other high-profile trials haven’t they’ve released jurors names? I dont know if this is true. The juries I have been on have all been low profile, and when the trial ended, the judge told us we could talk about the trial immediately upon exiting the courtroom amongst our selves or the press if they were present in the hallway, or just leave without saying a word to anyone (I always chose the latter). I am not aware that my name being associated with any trial I was on became publically available. > [@md-2000](#): > > I wonder if a more obvious source is the court staff But, do court staff even have juror names? In my trials I was just a number - Juror 12, for example. I think we were referred to by our names during jury selection (by the judge only IIRC), but after that no one used my name in the courtroom, not even other jurors during deliberations, and I did not know anyone else’s name. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/14 "2024-06-01T12:25:09Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > But, do court staff even have juror names? Somebody verifies jurors have show up for duty, that they are qualified, someone fills out the forms for jury pay, etc. I doubt that Fred the Bailiff knows their last names, even, but someone in that building does. The question is whether they care enough (or can be paid enough) considering they’d at best lose their job, at worst go to jail for bribery or accessory to whatever happens to the jurors. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/15 "2024-06-01T13:00:09Z")
There was a list of our names in randomized order that they used to call us into the panel. When they called roll and I was #7, I knew my goose was cooked. They referred to us by name all through voir dire. We used first names during deliberations. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/16 "2024-06-01T13:11:01Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Jurors. A [jurist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist) is a trained legal scholar Ah, ignorance fought 😃. Thanks for that! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/17 "2024-06-01T17:08:39Z")
> **[Trump supporters try to dox jurors and post violent threats after his conviction](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-supporters-try-doxx-jurors-violent-threats-conviction-rcna154882)** > > On social media and web forums, users called for jurors, judges and prosecutors to be killed after the former president was found guilty on 34 felony counts. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/18 "2024-06-01T18:06:49Z")
I’m bracing myself for a “one-by-one mysterious deaths” scenario à la _The Parallax View_. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/19 "2024-06-01T20:12:34Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > Does jury tampering apply after the trial? If hints are made- which they were- and the threats are carried out- I should think so. > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > [Trump supporters try to dox jurors and post violent threats after his conviction](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-supporters-try-doxx-jurors-violent-threats-conviction-rcna154882) _“1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user._ I believe this- in of itself is a felony. [18 USC Ch. 115: TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A72385.,Advocating%20overthrow%20of%20Government&text=the%20purposes%20thereof%E2%80%94-,Shall%20be%20fined%20under%20this%20title%20or%20imprisoned%20not%20more,years%20next%20following%20his%20conviction). §2385. _Advocating overthrow of Government. Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction._ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331/20 "2024-06-01T21:03:04Z")
Let’s hope he was reported to the FBI. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jury-id-protection/1002331.md?page=2)