# Just another example of Bush family values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751 "2003-05-27T13:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/21 "2003-05-27T17:19:09Z")
The day I start being measured by the progeny of my parents’ siblings, or the siblings themselves, is the day I go into hiding. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/22 "2003-05-27T17:32:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\*When you say “lush” do you mean it (as in the British slang) “gorgeous/fit/yummy/sexy” - or “drunk”? \*\* [Drunk.](http://www.thedubyareport.com/oldblock.html) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/23 "2003-05-27T17:48:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gadarene \* > \*\*The more I read about him, the more convinced I am that George H. W. Bush is actually a damn decent guy. Too bad it didn’t rub off on his son. \*\* You mean _sons_. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/24 "2003-05-27T18:30:15Z")
**Diogenes the Cynic** going by that 90%+ of the student population of the UK and Ireland could be called a lush. That’s what college is for 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/25 "2003-05-27T19:04:47Z")
The Bush girls keep getting arrested for it, though. Like father like daughters, I guess. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/26 "2003-05-27T19:16:44Z")
Keep getting arrested? How many times now have they been arrested? I recall hearing about one, maybe two, and wasn’t one of those for having a fake ID? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/27 "2003-05-27T19:42:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*You mean _sons_. \*\* I’ll second that. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/28 "2003-05-27T20:05:53Z")
Hey, I woulda bought Billy Beer. He was just a big dumb red neck. I’m not so sure I’d buy Neil beer. A depraved rich guy with no morals just isn’t as a humorous subject for beer. If my brother ever becomes president, he’s in big trouble. I’ve led a colorful life. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/29 "2003-05-27T21:29:22Z")
I’ll be the 397th person to chime in and say that attacking someone because of what his brother did is just fucking lame. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/30 "2003-05-27T21:29:56Z")
Sorry for the hijack, but what dropped my jaw about the linked story was this: > [@](#): > > In late January 2002, Neil dropped in on Saudi Arabia and delivered the keynote address on the concluding day of the three-day Jeddah Economic Forum. The president’s brother told the conferees that the best way to change perceptions in the United States about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was to expand their political lobbying. Neil maintained that the American public favored Israel because of intense lobbying of U.S. politicians by Israeli supporters. The President has been pitching the line all along that we’re supporting Israel because it’s our close ally in the War on Terror and we’re helping defend them from villainous attackers and etc. etc. etc., and the President’s brother hops up to the podium in Saudi Arabia and tells the Jeddah Forum that it’s really just pressure from the Zionist lobby?!? Did he clear that with the front office? 😕 And what’s this recommendation that the Arabs should “expand their political lobbying” if they want to “change perceptions in the United States about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict”? Am I just crazy, or does that sound a little bit like “we’re behind Israel because the Jews have paid us off, so if you want us to change our minds you have to pay us off too”? :eek: I could give a crap about Neil Bush’s marital woes, but this little item really has me on the floor. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/31 "2003-05-27T21:41:20Z")
Great another Bush bashing non-thread. FTR Jenna has been arrested twice, which isn’t really shit. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/32 "2003-05-27T22:26:43Z")
Ripping on a president’s kids is a really shitty thing to do. Like they had a choice in their parentage. It was uncool when certain righties went on about Chelsea, and it’s uncool now when lefties go on about Jenna and Barbara. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/33 "2003-05-27T23:03:27Z")
I wasn’t ripping on the Bush girls (ok, I did call them lushes). Originally I was just expressing excitement at the possibility of a naked Barbara Bush video (the daughter, of course, not W.'s mom). I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I was just saying I’d like to see it. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/34 "2003-05-27T23:11:15Z")
I’m surprised that video hasn’t surfaced (or at least screenshots). I wonder if it’s just an UL. I bet when/if it does surface, it will be really lame/tame. Probably just a few drunk college kids playing a half-assed game of strip poker, with nothing much more than a female bra strap and male pimply chest in sight. I very much doubt it’s going to be Debbies Does Dallas 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/35 "2003-05-27T23:18:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\*I’m surprised that video hasn’t surfaced (or at least screenshots). I wonder if it’s just an UL. > > I bet when/if it does surface, it will be really lame/tame. Probably just a few drunk college kids playing a half-assed game of strip poker, with nothing much more than a female bra strap and male pimply chest in sight. I very much doubt it’s going to be Debbies Does Dallas 😉 \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/36 "2003-05-27T23:19:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\*I’m surprised that video hasn’t surfaced (or at least screenshots). I wonder if it’s just an UL. > > I bet when/if it does surface, it will be really lame/tame. Probably just a few drunk college kids playing a half-assed game of strip poker, with nothing much more than a female bra strap and male pimply chest in sight. I very much doubt it’s going to be Debbies Does Dallas 😉 \*\* You’re probably right. Larry Flynt has reportedly offered a million dollars for the video. Some kids at Yale apparantly told him they had seen it but no one seems to want the million bucks. My guess is it never really existed, or if it did, some guys in black suits and sunglasses made it disappear really quick. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/37 "2003-05-27T23:42:37Z")
This reminds me of th this comedy bit I saw: As you sit there, Naked, in a pile of your feces and a puddle of urine, masturbating to a black market video of a a tattoed lady crushing a hamster with the spike of her high heel… …Do you ever have a sudden moment of clarity and say “Jeez, I really am a sick fuck, aren’t I?” ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/38 "2003-05-27T23:50:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > I wasn’t ripping on the Bush girls (ok, I did call them lushes). Originally I was just expressing excitement at the possibility of a **naked Barbara Bush video (the daughter, of course, not W.'s mom)**. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I was just saying I’d like to see it. (Bolding mine). Cuz that would be just…ewww… ~J ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/39 "2003-05-27T23:58:04Z")
Makes you wonder why she liked those really big pearls doesn’t it? Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751/40 "2003-05-28T00:08:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > **I think the issue here is that the Bush family, as a whole, bangs the drum of “family values”, then proceeds to behave as though those values somehow don’t apply to them.** Neil Bush has banged a drum of family values? I know this is the Pit, but have you got a cite for that? If not, again, you’re still trying that same old guilt by association schtick. Neil’s shitty decision making is only tied to his brothers’ and father’s platform positions about the importance of strong morality and strong families in our society in as much as it serves as an example of what they’ve consistently said isn’t the right thing to do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-another-example-of-bush-family-values/177751.md?page=3)