# Just curious how drowning a bunch of kids can be considered God's will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860 "2025-07-15T01:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/161 "2025-07-15T21:13:07Z")
On the contrary, a right wing worldview makes it unlikely a person loves _anyone._ Especially not their children, who are essentially property to them. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/162 "2025-07-15T21:22:19Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > There’s plenty of explanation for how this happened. I agree. But idealogues would argue that all of those things were part of god’s plan. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/163 "2025-07-15T21:22:21Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It seems to be fake outrage(the OP, not the flood they were ill-prepared for) It could be real outrage that is being messily expressed. Sometimes people channel outrage into anger, and very frequently, they are not careful or considerate when doing so. I have to admit, I’ve thought angry thoughts about people’s beliefs RE the will of god before in these types of circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/164 "2025-07-15T21:27:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > Make fun of those people? No. Be disgusted by their stubbornly destructive views? Yes.. > > Not a quote of a parent of a child who died in this tragedy. You found one of many ignorant fools. Yes that person is disgusting. AND anyone who said that negligence in this tragedy is okay because we trust god and shouldn’t do things to protect ourselves is disgusting. > > Any cites of who those people in this case with deaths are? I think you misread or failed to read the Texas Tribune article. The remarks did in fact come from parents of a child who died of measles. > [@](#): > > “It was her time on Earth,” the translator said the parents told her. “They believe she’s better off where she is now.” > > “We would absolutely not take the MMR,” the mother said in English, referring to the measles-mumps-rubella vaccination children typically receive before attending school. She said her stance on vaccination has not changed after her daughter’s death. > > “The measles wasn’t that bad. They got over it pretty quickly,” the mother said of her other four surviving children who were treated with castor oil and inhaled steroids and recovered. See, only one of five kids with measles died. There are plenty left over. And they could make more. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/165 "2025-07-15T21:29:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > On the contrary, a right wing worldview makes it unlikely a person loves _anyone._ Especially not their children, who are essentially property to them. just stop, please. You are impossible to have a rational discussion with on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/166 "2025-07-15T21:35:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And when you can successfully tell one from the other and tell us which is which, we will listen to you. > But be ready for the nasty little fact that others will have lists that don’t match up with yours. I can tell the difference. But it’s far too hot to argue. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/167 "2025-07-15T21:37:41Z")
Ok. “Manufactured” outrage then. I’ve seen several YouTubers saying almost exactly the same thing. What I’ve not seen is anyone, parent, Mystic Camp officials, government folks saying this was “God’s will”. Maybe they did. I’ve not read all the reports. Quit CNN and any televised news last November. So, until I read a credible source, (not the Measles death), I refuse to be enraged by this. This is flame fanning. The situation is horrible enough. No more is needed. And, Like @Saint_Cad said, the death of a child, whatever the reason, is the most painful of losses. If you were unloved or mistreated as a child, its terrible, as well. But, you’re alive now. And hopefully living a happy life. IOW, you came thru the storm. The dead babies don’t get that chance. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/168 "2025-07-15T21:40:30Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I agree. But idealogues would argue that all of those things were part of god’s plan. When you find such a quotation, please post it here. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/169 "2025-07-15T21:41:15Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > just stop, please. You are impossible to have a rational discussion with on this topic. Again; pretending that right wingers care about their children as much as everyone else, _endangers those children._ Calling pointing that out “irrational” may be emotionally satisfying to you, but it’s irresponsible and unethical. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/170 "2025-07-15T21:45:19Z")
What are we supposed to do. Go rip these right-wingers children from their arms? Take them; where, exactly? Or maybe sterilize adults because of their political/religious beliefs? Sounds vaguely familiar… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/171 "2025-07-15T21:45:59Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > But it’s far too hot to argue. Argument’s commenced! Get to arguin’ or get away! ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/172 "2025-07-15T21:50:56Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Ok. “Manufactured” outrage then. > > I’ve seen several YouTubers saying almost exactly the same thing. Maybe. I don’t know if the meta-discussion is doing us any better than the discussion at this point, but I will bow out of this one. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/173 "2025-07-15T21:52:02Z")
You misunderstand. Not a quote having to do with THIS tragedy. This thread, the rant, is about the Texas flood. Not measles. Have any parents of a child who drowned there said it is just God’s will? Anyone saying that warning systems are not called for because if god wills it we should not try to alter it by using alarm systems telling us to leave? Are these kids families assumed to be the same because all Christians are the same? Is “nice god you got there” an appropriate thing to direct about them? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/174 "2025-07-15T21:52:14Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What are we supposed to do. Go rip these right-wingers children from their arms? At the very least, given them shelter when their parents decide to throw them out. Instead, there’s an epidemic of homelessness among the homosexual youth. We don’t need to “rip these right-wingers children from their arms”; the parents will cast their children out themselves. Or just kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/175 "2025-07-15T22:00:43Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Quite a lot of those drownings were indeed caused by immediate human inactions, in combination with relatively recent human actions. And I’m not even talking about climate change. You didn’t read the rest of my post, where I distinguish between the flood as an event, and the deaths resulting from human actions. > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The actual deaths and injuries, of course, certainly involved human actions or failures, and those should be considered as separate from the flood. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/176 "2025-07-15T22:08:32Z")
Well, @Der_Trihs , not all right wingers have gay children. Some are the children of democrats. I venture a guess that when a parent is disowning a child because of sexual preference, I doubt political leanings are even considered. Yes, there are bad parents. There always will be. I don’t believe its the governments job to get into my family dynamic. Or yours. Or the MAGA family down the road. You can’t police a feeling or a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/177 "2025-07-15T22:11:30Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I venture a guess that when a parent is disowning a child because of sexual preference, I doubt political leanings are even considered. That makes no sense at all. _Of course_ members of the party that hates people who aren’t straight will abuse gay children more than the members of the one that doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/178 "2025-07-15T22:16:43Z")
Actually, it sounds like you just made up that strawman, because you didn’t get it from here. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/179 "2025-07-15T22:18:53Z")
What about Gay MAGAs? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860/180 "2025-07-15T22:25:56Z")
Well, ok If you say so. Until all things are equal, not likely to happen, all points of view should be on the table. If it seems simple, its because it is. Be a good citizen. Care about others. Come in with love, not your pet agenda. You’ll be happier. The people around you will be happier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-curious-how-drowning-a-bunch-of-kids-can-be-considered-gods-will/1020860.md?page=10)