# Just feeding back that virtually everything is awful **URL:** \ **Category:** Site Feedback\ **Created:** [July 2, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313 "2022-07-02T18:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/141 "2022-07-09T01:01:43Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I call bullshit on you using “advanced” features in vB search. It.didn’t.work.at.all. Everybody used Google to search the SMDB. There were some seasons over the decades when Advanced Search didn’t work well, but mostly yes I did too. Google search for SDMB always sucked. No granularity. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/142 "2022-07-09T01:04:04Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > In your picture, just below where it says “Filter by post count and topic views” (cropped off in your picture) there’s a drop down box giving you different sort options. Umm, nope. There’s a triangular disclosure triangle there which, when clicked, lets me specify minimum and maximum replies and minimum and maximum views. Nothing about sorting. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/143 "2022-07-09T01:46:56Z")
This is what I have (maybe it’s one of the random differences between skins). [![](https://i.imgur.com/mO90WyG.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/mO90WyG.png) ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/144 "2022-07-09T02:52:07Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Everybody used Google to search the SMDB. No, everybody did not. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/145 "2022-07-09T02:53:37Z")
Agreed. I used Google for some stuff, but the hamster search function for narrowing down searches. Until the hamsters all ran away of course. I think it was just a couple of blind white mice turning the wheel in the latter days. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/146 "2022-07-09T06:47:12Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > No, everybody did not. Everybody that wanted search results did. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/147 "2022-07-09T15:20:13Z")
I wish I could see the OP of a thread in mobile sessions. There are some ‘hot air’ OPs that I steer clear of but that sometimes manage to craft thread titles that trick me into looking. Similarly, I also wish for a name instead of an avatar for most recent post, too. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/148 "2022-07-09T16:05:23Z")
> [@jnglmassiv](#): > > I also wish for a name instead of an avatar for most recent post I’d like a name instead of an avatar in linked threads. Also, a way to identify the OP as you scroll through a thread. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/149 "2022-07-14T05:14:23Z")
This is my major complaint (I can live with it, though). My complete Firefox history has about 84000 entries going back to March 2021. 25000 of those entries are for the SDMB. And I visit the SDMB only 2x a week for only an hour or two at a time. 20000 of _those_ SDMB entries are have 1 visit only, due to scrolling within a thread. I could at least isolate these by setting up a Firefox user profile just for the SDMB, but I haven’t done it yet. The other stuff just took a bit of adjusting to. For example, with vB, you could fiddle with the formatting tags and get the post formatted exactly the way you want. Discourse has its own way of automatically doing things and interfering can produce unexpected results. On the other hand, one thing I REALLY like is that it keeps track of your last visited date/time MUCH better. So all in all, it’s better than vB. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/150 "2022-08-04T02:43:47Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Let me rephrase: > > I call bullshit on you using “advanced” features in vB search. It.didn’t.work.at.all. Everybody used Google to search the SMDB. I used advanced searches in vB all the time. But not on the SDMB. I did it on another message board that had a more modern version of vB and wasn’t grossly underpowered. It worked pretty well. It worked way better than google for the vast majority of normal searches. The SDMB was barely functioning, technologically. And vBulletin had reached the end of its life, and was no longer being actively supported. So they had to move to something different. And they had to move kinda quickly, because the board was barely functioning. (I mean, they could have moved to a more recent version of vBulletin if they had the hardware to run it on, but it seems dumb to go to all the work of moving only to move to a dying platform.) ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/151 "2022-08-04T03:07:27Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, I hated it at first, but I am okay with it now. Some minor features still annoy me, but overall, it is not so bad. This is pretty much my experience too. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t complain if someone comes up with a front end skin that makes Discourse look and work like vBulletin, and that any user can choose to download and install. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/152 "2022-08-05T18:18:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > (I mean, they could have moved to a more recent version of vBulletin if they had the hardware to run it on, but it seems dumb to go to all the work of moving only to move to a dying platform.) Actually we did try to move to a more recent version of vBulletin. Too many things broke during the conversion, and too many things didn’t work the way we needed them to in the new version. It was basically trading one set of bugs for another and wasn’t really an improvement. We needed something that worked, and the later version of vBulletin wasn’t it. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > And they had to move kinda quickly, because the board was barely functioning. It was actually much worse than most people realize. It wasn’t just spotty and slow. We were rebooting the system at least once per day (often more) and the tech folks had to constantly rebuild and repair databases. Many of those times when people thought the board was just slow and couldn’t get in, it was actually either completely offline during a reboot or one of the SQL databases had crashed. The goal with Discourse was not to get better software, it was to get **working** software. vBulletin wasn’t just barely functional, it was dying, and it was taking the SDMB with it. Many people were so fed up with the problems that they stopped visiting. Our user numbers dropped rather significantly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/153 "2022-08-05T18:34:59Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > It was actually much worse than most people realize. It wasn’t just spotty and slow. We were rebooting the system at least once per day (often more) and the tech folks had to constantly rebuild and repair databases. Many of those times when people thought the board was just slow and couldn’t get in, it was actually either completely offline during a reboot or one of the SQL databases had crashed. It was down all the time. For a while it seemed like every time I tried to visit the site was unavailable. There was a period where I stopped coming and figured the SDMB was over. I doubt there would be a SDMB today if it had stayed with the same software. When I said in my initial post here that the board is functioning and that should be the end of the story I wasn’t being dramatic. I get griping about Discourse, I gripe about it too, but lamenting the fact that we’re on it is like complaining about bruises after someone saves your life with CPR. Would you rather have died?! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/154 "2022-08-05T18:44:48Z")
Yeah, there are lots of things i don’t love about Discourse. I still really dislike the infinite scroll, for example. But it works. And fwiw, all but one of the forums i regularly visit are now on Discourse. It’s actively supported and pretty robust. That’s a huge value proposition right there. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/155 "2022-08-30T19:58:35Z")
When the change happened I hated it, for about 4 hours. Then I discovered that it told you what threads had been updated since you last looked, so you didn’t have to keep checking them, and it saved your spot in the thread, and having a preview of the link is actually really nice, and seeing relatively discrete avatars is an easier way to recognize posters than their user name and… The only real annoyance to me is that 10k limit on thread size, underline doesn’t appear as a button, bold doesn’t show up well in my chosen theme (vincent), and the new set of emoticons aren’t as good as the old ones. But overall I’m loving it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/156 "2022-10-02T23:50:10Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > It saved your spot in the thread Yeah this is something that the old board could never figure out ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/157 "2022-10-29T04:44:56Z")
Here’s another gripe… I tried to write a post that said: > GO PHILLIES!!! (Obviously in the 2022 MLB Postseason thread.) Discourse would not let me post because it was “unclear”. Listen up, I’m a human, you’re a poorly-conceived bit of code. I’m a much better judge of what is “clear” to another human. Who thought that a rule like this was a good idea for message board software?! Pitiful. 👎 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/158 "2022-10-29T06:29:32Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Discourse would not let me post because it was “unclear”. > > Listen up, I’m a human, you’re a poorly-conceived bit of code. I’m a much better judge of what is “clear” to another human. Who thought that a rule like this was a good idea for message board software?! > > Pitiful. 👎 Add this to your post in that thread. Maybe Discourse will get the message. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/159 "2022-10-30T09:53:53Z")
It was unclear because even a computer program knows that people don’t actually want the Phillies to win. It was trying to save you from posting something completely irrational. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313/160 "2022-10-30T17:56:54Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > It was unclear because even a computer program knows that people don’t actually want the Phillies to win. It’s not about the Phillies. All decent people want the Astros to lose 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-feeding-back-that-virtually-everything-is-awful/967313.md?page=9)