# Just Fucking Leave Already If You're Going To **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2004, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293 "2004-03-19T21:56:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/41 "2004-03-20T21:07:56Z")
LOL We can but hope… ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/42 "2004-03-20T21:11:23Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > At least it’s a pleasant change from political hysteria. :: applauds :: Can I suggest a “Politics Only” forum? _All_ rants, GDs, IMHOs, CS, MPSIMS, etc threads that have to do with politics would be required to be posted in the Politics forum. The rest of us could then ignore it. Before you say “No”, think about this: if it’s _this_ bad now, how much _worse_ is it gonna be in 5 months or so? Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/43 "2004-03-20T21:19:32Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Going back to the OP, I like hearing from people who might not stay around — especially old timers like **jjimm**. What’s wrong with them letting us know? In \*\*jjimm’\*\*s case, I can somewhat understand since he is an old timer and is obviously one of the more well known Dopers but I still fail to see why he could not have said goodbye in the aforementioned (although admittedly non-existant) consolidated thread that could have prevented this whole deluge. > [@iampunha](#): > > For some people ( **Mr. Visible** , for one), the issue isn’t how much is being charged but that there’s going to be any sort of fee. Again, what relevance does this have to dozens of different posters starting dozens of different threads all on the same topic within a twenty-four hour time period? I will be losing at least two good Doper friends in addition to Dopers I enjoy reading but am not friends with to this subscription idea for the same reason as **Mr. Visible** and while I hate it, I am not pitting their ideals or even them because _they aren’t posting fifty threads about it_. > [@iampunha](#): > > …yet we’ve seen no pit threads from you pitting this same phenomenon regarding, oh, gay rights threads, partisan idiocy threads, middle east threads, abortion threads, religion threads … just this one phenomenon. Within the past day or so we’ve had no less than three threads about Dayton, TN passing a “no homosexuals allowed” law, yet no pit thread from you regarding the plethora there… I stay away from GD (and to an extent, the Pit) for exactly those reasons. If I were to stay away from ATMB, IMHO, and MPSIMS to avoid the current issue in addition to avoiding all the religious and political clusterfucks in GD and the Pit as usual, I would be down to four fora on a board of nine. This alone would cut over half the board off from me if avoided in normal fashion so instead of doing so, I opened a Pit thread. Then, of course, there’s the even simpler explanation that I am not \*\*IDBB \*\* and I don’t bitch and complain about everything and that this particular issue has me annoyed enough to start only my second pit thread in sixteen months. > [@iampunha](#): > > Re: lots of threads, let’s take a hypothetical. Let’s say **Joe Random User** , who’s never posted before, just registered today, sees the sticky and starts his first thread: “To pay or not…”. Some people read the thread, but it’s just someone nobody knows saying goodbye. > > Let’s say now that, oh, \*\*andygirl \*\* posts there in the dead of the night saying she also will not be staying with us (speaking of which, someone really ought to get together an email list of folks with at least X posts and make sure they know about the switch to pay/post). Few people see it and it’s quickly covered up in the “last replied” column by **Jane Random User** saying goodbye to **Joe**. > > Had \*\*andygirl \*\* gone directly against your wishes and posted her own goodbye thread, a hell of a lot more people would know. Yeah, there’s one more thread visible in MPSIMS, but for all we know it’s someone posting about their belly button lint smelling like cat food. We’ve seen stranger topics. To answer your hypothetical with one of my own; what do you imagine would happen if the dozens of Dopers that posted that they’re leaving in consolidated threads instead of in OPs all decided they needed their own thread instead? Both have about as much relevance to what really happened. To be less snarky though, If you’ll read up a bit further, you’ll see that I’ve mentioned a consolidated thread that Dopers could use to say their goodbyes and I fail to see how that isn’t a good idea. It allows everyone to say their goodbyes without the problem in your hypothetical, give out any contact info if they need or want to, and gets rid of all the threads that’re annoying other posters in addition to me. If you have an issue with the way the board is run, fine. Bitch about here in the Pit or leave after leaving a message in a(n admittedly non-existant) thread where anyone who may want to contact you can find the appropiate information. > [@pencilpusher](#): > > Well Hells Bells ifn your tired of it then just think how we uns feel about your whining about THEIR whining. > Good grief if you dont want to read it then STFU and stop posting whiny posts about THEIR whiney posts. Your just as bad as THEY are :rolleyes: You, of course, realize the irony in this post don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/44 "2004-03-20T21:35:34Z")
Why are people ragging so much on others about how it’s ‘only five dollars’? It’s not like all of us who have qualms about the subscription fee are bitching about the amount of money that it is, or that we all think that five dollars is so freaking expensive. My concern is that for the entire time I’ve been here, I’ve said exactly what I think about _everything_ I’ve posted on. Some of those opinions if attached to my real name could make my life extremely difficult at work, with my family, etc. Thankfully some nice Dopers have said I can send them cash and a password and they’ll subscribe me so that I can maintain the anonymity that makes this place so damn useful to me. But c’mon, those of you who look smugly down your noses and say ‘quit whining, it’s just five bucks.’ Anonymity is worth a lot more than five dollars, and giving it up is **not freaking easy**. If there were no Dopers willing to help me preserve mine here, I’d be leaving too. ---
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/45 "2004-03-20T21:39:42Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > You, of course, realize the irony in this post don’t you? LOL ya think? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/46 "2004-03-20T21:55:12Z")
> [@BonoVox](#): > > Actually, Monkey fucker, I can comprehend what your complaining about. If it is so much of a burden for you to scroll past all the threads, perhaps you need to exercise a bit more. Given that one of the chronic gripes on this board is the shortage of bandwidth, yes, it is a hell of a burden to scroll past all the threads. Oh, and since this is the Pit, get a clue, assburger. Robin ---
**Author:** ![CheekyMonkey613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e480ec/32.png) [@CheekyMonkey613](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheekyMonkey613)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/47 "2004-03-20T21:59:21Z")
Just wondering why this thread is still going and mine was shut down. I posted [Admin’s Attitude Towards People Who Can’t Afford $5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=246188) this morning. It was shut down ten minutes later. **Czarcasm** said I should have posted it in [Please place all SDMB subscription complaints in this thread, you cheapskates!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=245873). I did. Unfortunately, it’s been lost in the shuffle. It would have done quite well on its own. The frustrating part is this thread wasn’t about the subscriptions. It was about the Administrator’s attitude towards those who said they can’t pay. Isn’t that what the Pit is for? > [@](#): > > If you gotta flame, do it here. **This is the place for all complaints** and other discussion **regarding administration of the SDMB** ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/48 "2004-03-20T22:02:29Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > I’m annoyed by people advertizing that they are “sponsoring” however many other Dopers. Who cares? If you want to offer it as a prize in a trivia thread, fine. It’s kinda gimmicky. But past that, it just looks arrogant. I know your heart is in the right place, and it is a generous thing for you to do, but keep it private between you and whoever you sponsor. I mean, jeez, $5 is like buying a fellow Doper a beer, as far as expense to you goes. How many threads get started about that? How can I keep it private when I don’t know who needs to be sponsored, who wants it, etc? I put it out there that I’ll help someone or someones, all they have to do is contact me. How is that arrogant? Yes, I’m an over 1000 post member, but I’m not in private communication with anyone from SDMB, so I don’t know who needs what. I really don’t see what you have to be annoyed about here. People are trying to be nice and help each other out. Geez. ---
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/49 "2004-03-20T22:22:26Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > How can I keep it private when I don’t know who needs to be sponsored, who wants it, etc? I put it out there that I’ll help someone or someones, all they have to do is contact me. How is that arrogant? Yes, I’m an over 1000 post member, but I’m not in private communication with anyone from SDMB, so I don’t know who needs what. I really don’t see what you have to be annoyed about here. People are trying to be nice and help each other out. Geez. Casey is just being an asshole Ruby. Don’t feel bad about posting your willingness to help. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/50 "2004-03-20T23:30:36Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > It’s those who are huffing and puffing and making a huge issue out of paying in and of itself that are REALLY pissing me off. What’s with all the rightous indignation over paying a subscription? “How DARE they ask me to pay for the honor of MY contribution!!” Good god, do I agree. I honestly wish they’d turn on the subscription plan now to stop some of the whining. Student? Fine. From another country? Fine. Too po’ to swing a fiver? Complain all ya want, cause being that po’ sucks. Under 18? Fine. But jesus, the people huffing and puffing because their posts are so goddamn important are so obnoxious (and it’s usually posters I haven’t heard of/don’t remember), I kinda wish they’d turn on the subscription now, just to shut em up. Page after page of people with a way too high opinion of themselves complaining because a measly five spot will be required to post their self important drivel… ---
**Author:** ![Ashkicker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@Ashkicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashkicker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/51 "2004-03-20T23:46:16Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > I got no problem with the number of threads going on in all the forums, although it is excessive, and I’m waiting to see how one seeps into Cafe Society. > [@iampunha](#): > > “What movie/song/book were you watching/listening to/reading when you decided to stay/go?” How about the song “Should I Stay Or Should I Go?” by the Clash. That would almost guarantee you a spot in CS. For $5 I’m staying. Hell thats pretty [cheap compared](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=151650&highlight=tampon+ashkicker) to how I’ve spent my money in the past. They let me post shit like that and somebody reads it to boot? I should have given them $5 a long time ago. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dwyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwyr/32/363_2.png) [@dwyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwyr)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/52 "2004-03-21T00:07:25Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Why are people ragging so much on others about how it’s ‘only five dollars’? > > It’s not like all of us who have qualms about the subscription fee are bitching about the amount of money that it is, or that we all think that five dollars is so freaking expensive. > > My concern is that for the entire time I’ve been here, I’ve said exactly what I think about _everything_ I’ve posted on. Some of those opinions if attached to my real name could make my life extremely difficult at work, with my family, etc. > > Thankfully some nice Dopers have said I can send them cash and a password and they’ll subscribe me so that I can maintain the anonymity that makes this place so damn useful to me. > > But c’mon, those of you who look smugly down your noses and say ‘quit whining, it’s just five bucks.’ Anonymity is worth a lot more than five dollars, and giving it up is **not freaking easy**. If there were no Dopers willing to help me preserve mine here, I’d be leaving too. I don’t understand. How are you any less anonymous because of subscription? Presumably the only people who would know your name would be those processing payment. Are they going to publicly publish a list or something? This might be a silly question, but honestly, I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/53 "2004-03-21T00:16:12Z")
Is there such a thing as a non-masturbatory wankfest? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/54 "2004-03-21T00:20:59Z")
> [@](#): > > How are you any less anonymous because of subscription? Presumably the only people who would know your name would be those processing payment. Are they going to publicly publish a list or something? This might be a silly question, but honestly, I’m confused. Right now, nobody who runs this forum has my real name or any actual personal information about me. The most they have is an IP address registered to someone other than me through which I post. If I have to pay them, either by PayPal or by credit card, they get my real name, which I don’t want them to have, because I will then not be anonymous. It doesn’t matter to me if someone says ‘We won’t use this information.’ Once they have it, it can be gotten, it’s linked, and it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![Ashkicker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@Ashkicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashkicker)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/55 "2004-03-21T00:25:59Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Is there such a thing as a non-masturbatory wankfest? I don’t think so. Then it wouldn’t be a wankfest. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/56 "2004-03-21T00:28:42Z")
exactly ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/57 "2004-03-21T01:36:22Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > How can I keep it private when I don’t know who needs to be sponsored, who wants it, etc? I put it out there that I’ll help someone or someones, all they have to do is contact me. That part is fine, and as I said, very generous of you. The arrogance is when, it seems, other posters who are being similarly benevolent are dislocating their shoulders patting themselves on the back by repeatedly referencing how many people they are sponsoring. A simple post announcing you are willing to sponsor undecided or unwilling-to-pay Dopers is sufficient, the number is entirely up to you. Your contact info is available (at least it should be) for those willing to take you up on your offer, and it should remain off the boards from that point forward. > [@](#): > > Casey is just being an asshole Ruby. Where’s that smilie that blows kisses? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/58 "2004-03-21T01:36:38Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > In \*\*jjimm’\*\*s case, I can somewhat understand since he is an old timer and is obviously one of the more well known Dopers but I still fail to see why he could not have said goodbye in the aforementioned (although admittedly non-existant) consolidated thread that could have prevented this whole deluge. He could have. For that matter, rather than starting this thread (which is taking up bandwidth, and if people don’t want to read it they have to scroll past it), you could have simply been silent. But if you hadn’t started this thread, people wouldn’t have seen your thoughts. If **jjimm** hadn’t started his own thread, some of us wouldn’t have seen it his post. Even for someone who reads hundreds (at least) of MPSIMS posts a day, I miss a hell of a lot. > [@](#): > > Again, what relevance does this have to dozens of different posters starting dozens of different threads all on the same topic within a twenty-four hour time period? None. It’s a good thing, then, that this objection wasn’t based on that at all (which is why I pointedly based it on something else). Again, let me point out the part in your OP which I was commenting on: > [@](#): > > from a free service to the marginal subscription of five fucking dollars… You emphasized the fact that it was marginal and only five dollars. I pointed out (twice, and now for a third time) that to some people it isn’t an issue of how much but that it’s anything at all. If you’re wondering about the relevance of the point of money being an issue, I point you toward your own OP. > [@](#): > > I will be losing at least two good Doper friends in addition to Dopers I enjoy reading but am not friends with to this subscription idea for the same reason as **Mr. Visible** and while I hate it, I am not pitting their ideals or even them because _they aren’t posting fifty threads about it_. OK. My point remains that for some people (as you are obviously aware), it isn’t an issue of how much money they’re being charged but that they’re being charged at all. Again, if you’re wondering what relevance this has to the matter at hand, ask yourself, because you brought up the issue of there being money involved in the first place. > [@](#): > > Then, of course, there’s the even simpler explanation that I am not \*\*IDBB \*\* and I don’t bitch and complain about everything and that this particular issue has me annoyed enough to start only my second pit thread in sixteen months. It’s taken this long for “multiple threads on one subject” to annoy you enough to start a pit thread? Man, you have WAY WAY more patience than I do (though, to my “credit”, I haven’t yet pitted “too many threads on Topic X! All is lost! All is lost!”:D). > [@](#): > > To answer your hypothetical with one of my own; what do you imagine would happen if the dozens of Dopers that posted that they’re leaving in consolidated threads instead of in OPs all decided they needed their own thread instead? Both have about as much relevance to what really happened. Then we’d be painfully aware of who was leaving and who was staying. And, my guess, we’d have some sort of official pronouncement from the PTB to the effect of an “I am staying/leaving” sticky or “Please keep all your staying/leaving posts to one thread”. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/59 "2004-03-21T02:58:17Z")
Your main contention with my OP seems to be with a twelve word phrase that was intended as nothing more than a throwaway line and everything else we’ve rehashed is going to continue to be rehashed if we contiunue this because neither of us seems willing to budge on our ideas in concern to percieved overkill. Truce? ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293/60 "2004-03-21T06:00:33Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > Let’s say now that, oh, **andygirl** posts there in the dead of the night saying she also will not be staying with us (speaking of which, someone really ought to get together an email list of folks with at least X posts and make sure they know about the switch to pay/post). Few people see it and it’s quickly covered up in the “last replied” column by **Jane Random User** saying goodbye to **Joe**. > > Had **andygirl** gone directly against your wishes and posted her own goodbye thread, a hell of a lot more people would know. Yeah, there’s one more thread visible in MPSIMS, but for all we know it’s someone posting about their belly button lint smelling like cat food. We’ve seen stranger topics. Eh, in case you’re curious, I read maybe once a week. Haven’t decided if I’m going to pony up or not, I’m leaning towards no. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-fucking-leave-already-if-youre-going-to/235293.md?page=4)