And you know this how, exactly? Just because Zimmerman didn’t try it, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work.
I take it you read the whole link? That guy had no business being a cop. I wonder if the Cleveland Police ever saw that letter?
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/fergusonsign.asp
Come on, snopes is day one stuff in the ignorance fighting biz .
Yes, I did. Thanks for the timely link.
This part is, IMHO, even more telling than the portion you quoted:
I mean, seriously. I wouldn’t want that guy running 3rd shift at the 7-11. :smack:
Good photoshop.
I can think of only one reason why you might have thought that photo was legit. Can you tell me any others?
Because Michael Dunn tried it and was convicted of Attempted murder.
Most certainly!
He’ll be back with an apology for posting it as well as a carefully considered explanation.
Demonstrators have been punked before. http://theredhunter.com/2005/09/
Er, there is eyewitness evidence of it, that’s where we get the account from. That you choose to disregard the police’s statement doesn’t mean it no longer exists.
The officer’s account seems to contradict the video.
Shit! I forgot to provide the eyewitness link! There were no shouts. There were no warnings. There were no other people sitting at the table with the child at any time. Officer Loehmann, who internal police records show has a habit of lying on his reports, has lied yet again.
If the fear is reasonable - that is you were in fact attacked by your target, then yeah, it’s legitimate. Because, you know, said target always - absolutely always - has the option of not attacking or threatening you.
Yes, it sucks. It sucks that so many people are violent arseholes. But that’s no reason to make it worse by making it harder for people to defend themselves against said violent people.
And that’s what you want to do. You want to take someone who’s been threatened with loss of life, or serious injury, had the trauma of having to kill to defend themselves, and you want to take this innocent person - this innocent victim of violent crime - and accuse them of murder, without cause, and subject them to an unwarranted trial, because it’s hypothetically possible that someone could manipulate the system.
Accusing people who kill in self defence of a crime is victim blaming bullshit, nothing more, nothing less. Fuck that. It’s never appropriate.
Oh, and someone who reaches for a gun when the police tell them to freeze? Not a victim, except possibly of their own stupidity. It’s still a tragedy - pretty much all untimely deaths are - but not all tragedies require someone to blame.
I assumed you were talking about the police report, I’ll read this and see what I think.
Did you read the report from the Independence Police about Officer Loehmann?
Just in case it hasn’t been firmly enough established from the dubious police reports in Rice’s case that Loehmann is untrustworthy:
I did. It may suggest that the police force was negligent in employing him, it depends if he’s been tested in the two years since then and improved, It has no direct bearing on the case at hand.
Reading the other link you provided, we have a witness who admits they refused to give a statement to the police, which to me suggests they’re not particularly willing to stand by their story, and also a retired police officer who finds the police’s behaviour reasonable.
Based on that, I’m not changing my view that there’s no reason to conclude that the killing was unjustified. If the witness is prepared to stand by his statement and report it to the police, there would potentially be grounds for a charge, but if not, then nothing.
And in a thread about an innocent child that has nothing to do with Ferguson.
Maybe the witness has a fear of developing lead toxicity.
Yes, but the witness was black. His version of events are worthless in the minds of anyone defending the cops.