Lemur866:
The fuck?
So the only alternatives are–the cop is a murderer and goes to prison, or he’s a hero and we move on?
Bullshit.
Even if we can’t convict the killer cop of murder, there are lots of things we can do. How about police forces try harder not to hire trigger-happy killers? Because obviously the decision to kill the victim was made long before the cops jumped out of the car. Shooting him was the plan. I’m saying that shouldn’t have been the plan. Hire a better class of cops, and fire the ones who do their jobs so poorly that innocent kids end up bleeding to death on the ground while they sit and watch and try to figure out their story.
Train the cops on how to deal with dangerous situations without shooting first and asking questions later. Maybe the cops were trained that this was the best way to deal with active shooters, and were just following their training. Well, the training sucks. Not every situation is Columbine, you can’t train cops to treat every call of a person with a gun as if it were Columbine.
Stop allowing cops to act as if they’re an occupying army in the middle of a war zone. They exist to serve us, and the “us” includes black kids too. Violent crime way down across the boards, but cops still act as if we’re on the verge of total social collapse. No, cops and citizens are safer than they’re ever been, the pants-wetting terror that cops seem to feel of the citizenry is completely unjustified.
Put cameras on the cops. It turns out just putting cameras on the cops–the cops believing that their actions are recorded–leads to them not being such fucking assholes. Knowing that in the case of a complaint by a citizen it won’t just be his word vs the cop’s word makes them watch what they say. Of course just being on camera doesn’t stop cops from shooting, beating, choking, robbing or threatening people, and lots of cops escape criminal prosecution even with video evidence. But at least they’ll get fired instead of being treated like a hero.
Put an end to funding police departments by fines and forfeitures. 80% of the resentment in Ferguson is not due to a cop killing one black kid, but the fact that the Ferguson police force gets almost all it’s funding from trying to find violations that lead to fines. In other words, every time a cop interacts with someone, their salary is paid by finding some way to charge that person with violation. And then they wonder why the people who live their don’t trust them. They aren’t part of the community, they’re a mafia of shake-down artists who exploit the community.
And on and on. This kid is dead because the cops royally fucked up. Whether we’ll be able to put them in prison over this incident hasn’t been determined yet. But please consider there’s a whole range of outcomes between “hero” and “convicted murderer”.
Well and truly said. This is orders of magnitude better than anything else I’ve read on the subject, here or elsewhere.
Wolf333:
[QUOTE=Smapti]stuff …
I’m going to add first aid to the list of things your probably shouldn’t talk about unless you are asking a question.
Unnecessary qualifications weaken absolute points.
After reading his statements trying to explain away the fact that the cops didn’t try to render first aid, I’m beginning to wonder if Smapti isn’t either a psychopath or an autist.
And I’m serious.
Well, we know that he’s a flautist.
There’s a detailed thread that reveals reasons to believe he is mentally disturbed or at least seriously traumatized. That’s why I have largely stopped responding to him.
Article on body cameras. They are not a panacea. But it’s an idea worth exploring. Some cops buy them on their own dime apparently. Police body cameras, explained - Vox
Krouget
December 5, 2014, 2:19pm
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Well, (s)he’s trying to win an argument on the internet. I get it, but there comes a time when you have to know when to fold em. This is one of those times.
Describing the idea of attempting first aid as “trying to work a miracle”, is disturbing. Especially when its one of the more vulnerable members of society.
It’s kind of hard rendering first aid from the positions they were in. The driver stayed in his seat, and the shooter cowered behind the car after he gunned down the child. You can’t expect them to render first aid when they were so far away, can you?
Grey
December 5, 2014, 4:18pm
629
They had heard gun fire and feared for their lives. :rolleyes:
slowlearner:
My 1st arrest was at 18 when they burst in the door of my dorm room. I already knew not to resist or move suddenly or do anything in any way to intimidate them. I was arrested another night in what was actually a case of mistaken identity. The cop had me lie facedown in the mud, put a knee in my back and a 9mm pistol against the back of my head, then explained to me if I even wiggled a finger before his buddies got there he was going to blow my motherfucking brains out. A few years ago me and a Mexican I worked with were pulled over and a highway patrolman searched my pickup. There was no cause, it was 8am we were sober and obviously just 2 idiots on the way to work, but he was so afraid of us his hands were shaking. I obviously don’t like cops and I detest all governmental authority but at the same time I stand behind a cop’s absolute right to go home at the end of his shift unhurt. Hey, a Dallas cop shot unarmed 12 year old Santos Rodriguez in the parking lot behind my house in 1973 and was never punished. It’s a hard world out there but that’s our America so don’t be effing around with the police, they have a license to kill. And don’t mess with Texas, because under our Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws the average Joe Citizen can blow you away for next to nothing, too. And we got open carry coming! You go, Gov. Stangelove!
See, I’ve also been arrested. The cop was kind and polite and was worried that I was going to have trouble walking from my car to his without my crutches (I’d had surgery on my foot). He let me use them to get to his car. He didn’t cuff me until we got to the station, and then helped support me when we walked into the building.
I was given back my crutches during intake because the officers realized that I was highly unlikely to hurt anyone.
But I had to good sense to be arrested while white and middle-class.
Fallen
December 5, 2014, 5:33pm
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“But I had to good sense to be arrested while white and middle-class.”
That’s a cute way to put it, but it isn’t as though you had control over the white part (and, if a juvenile, the middle-class part).
bashere
December 6, 2014, 4:25am
632
And you’ve agreed the penalty for stupidity is death.
We’re good, then.
