# Just like Dumbo, Wyoming GOP declares that Liz Cheney is No Longer an Elephant **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 16, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467 "2021-11-16T20:25:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/21 "2021-11-17T03:23:38Z")
Hey, I was a member of the model UN, the only one in my school. All of us from my city went to New York and attended a session of the Security Council. It was the first time I got to fly. It was great. Liz, I hate 99% of what you stand for and 99% of your votes. But come over here and we’ll have a long talk about Kwame Nkrumah. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/22 "2021-11-17T06:22:43Z")
I think he was making joking reference to the (possibly fictional) book _The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union._ Sounds like something Clancy would write, right up there with _Where America Has Gone Wrong Since St. Ronnie Left Office._ All sizzle, no steak. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/23 "2021-11-17T15:41:29Z")
‘I never thought leopards would eat MY face,’ sobs Liz Cheney who voted for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/24 "2021-11-17T15:57:59Z")
Actually, I think this is unfair to Liz. Much as I disagree with her and her political stances, she is a principled politician who is trying to maintain a correct and honorable devotion to the Constitution and the Rule of Law. She is decidedly NOT one of those who unthinkingly votes for a shortsighted policy that could come back and hit her in the back because she never thought it would apply to her as well. She’s being very unjustly punished for holding to Right Principles by those slavishly devoted to Cult Personality politics. It’s her opponents who are in the Leopards Eating the Face Party, not her. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/25 "2021-11-17T16:07:05Z")
At this point, I cannot tell them apart and I have no sympathy for her or the rest of that party. If they cannot band together to rid themselves of the filth that has taken over, that is on them. Plus, do you really think she voted for Biden? Fuggetaboutit! Edited to add, after Googling: No, she didn’t although she expresses regret now that the leopards have eaten her face. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/26 "2021-11-17T16:27:48Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Actually, I think this is unfair to Liz. Much as I disagree with her and her political stances, she is a principled politician who is trying to maintain a correct and honorable devotion to the Constitution and the Rule of Law. I wouldn’t go that far. She’s in this position because Trump has reviled her family as part of his attacks on the Bushes and the “deep state”. Her devotion to her father drives her opposition to Trump more than her principles. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/27 "2021-11-17T16:57:12Z")
The fact is that she still calls herself a Republican, which is the party that tried to overthrow our democracy and has become the Leopards Eating Faces party. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/28 "2021-11-17T17:14:19Z")
Yes. And Republicans welcomed the Q-Balls and Maga Marks with open arms. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/29 "2021-11-17T17:44:09Z")
So what does she do? Go the Sitting Bull route and declare herself The Last Republican, because there aren’t any Republicans anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/30 "2021-11-17T18:00:16Z")
I keep waiting for someone to start a more moderate Republican party (called what? I don’t know). We’ve got all these Lincoln group folks, some folks like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. They’re all still Republicans, but they seem like sane ones. I believe that a new party might actually get some traction. There’s a huge pool of former Republican voters who have moved into the Independent camp because the crazy-pants folks in the current party don’t align with their beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/31 "2021-11-17T18:13:50Z")
Logically, that should happen, but everyone knows if the party gets a schism that large it means ceding power to the Democrats for a generation or more, which appears to be a worse option to grumbling about the nut-cases who’ve taken over the party but still voting R in elections anyway. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/32 "2021-11-17T18:16:13Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So what does she do? Become independent. That’s what Joe Lieberman did when the party moved away from him. I’m sure the Democrats would love to have her caucus with them for committee positions, too, even if she doesn’t vote with them on any substantive issues. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/33 "2021-11-17T18:49:26Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And Republicans welcomed the Q-Balls and Maga Marks with open arms. And they _still_ welcome them. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/34 "2021-11-17T18:53:00Z")
Uh huh. And for an encore, the Carpenter of Nazareth is going to appear in Times Square on New Year’s Eve, doing the Macarena. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/35 "2021-11-17T18:55:26Z")
If she wants to stay in the Republican party, even though they don’t want her, she’s definitely part of the Leopards Eating People’s Faces party and her face is being eaten. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/36 "2021-11-17T18:56:32Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Logically, that should happen, but everyone knows if the party gets a schism that large it means ceding power to the Democrats for a generation or more, And yet this is exactly what they should do. Rip the band-aid off. This is essentially what happened to the Conservative Party in Canada in the 1993 federal election. They went from the party in power down to 2 seats out of 295. This was in no small part due to the split with the new western-based Reform party which got 52 seats. It took the right-leaning parties until 2004 to get back together again, when they formed the opposition,and then a minority government in 2006. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/37 "2021-11-17T19:15:19Z")
I wish people would stop calling people like Cheney and Romney “moderate” Republicans. They are not. On policy they are to the right of Trump. Trump isn’t repulsive because he is too far right. He’s repulsive because he is a criminal oligarch who doesn’t believe in democracy, equality, justice, or the American way. Just disliking Trump isn’t any kind of basis for a coalition with independents and moderate Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/38 "2021-11-17T20:01:46Z")
I suppose I think of them as moderate because they are not authoritarian despots in the making, and don’t support authoritarian despots. I may not agree with their positions, but I vastly prefer not living in the Fourth Reich to having them in the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/39 "2021-11-17T20:08:11Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I keep waiting for someone to start a more moderate Republican party (called what? I don’t know). There already is one. It’s called the Democratic Party. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467/40 "2021-11-18T06:10:14Z")
Just today (Wednesday Nov. 17), Jennifer Rubin at WaPo has an op-ed with suggestions for what Liz Cheney can do next. Apparently Wyoming has some sore-loser laws, so if she gets primaried, there are some limitations as to what she can do next. But she would still have some options. > **[Opinion | Liz Cheney should consider alternatives to the GOP](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/17/liz-cheney-should-consider-alternatives-gop/)** > > It's time for her to take the hint. Discussing sore-loser laws, Rubin notes: > [@](#): > > That means Wyoming’s law would exclude Cheney from running as an independent (qualifying for the ballot by petition) should she fail to get the GOP nomination. But she might still be able to run as a write-in or the candidate in one of the three other recognized parties in the state. Alternatively, she could form a new “minor party” and qualify for the general election by a convention, if time and logistics allow > > To recap, Cheney and other non-MAGA Republicans have several choices. Some, such as Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), have chosen not to run. Others, such as Utah Senate candidate Evan McMullin, are trying to forge a path as independent conservatives. Faced with sore-loser laws, dissident Republicans might want to plan ahead. They might consider setting up third parties now or positioning themselves to get another existing party’s nomination. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-like-dumbo-wyoming-gop-declares-that-liz-cheney-is-no-longer-an-elephant/954467.md?page=3)