# Just seen Iron Man 3 \[OPEN SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699 "2013-04-25T20:32:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/181 "2013-05-10T19:17:27Z")
I did notice that Favreau seems a lot heavier in this movie than in IM1 or Elf. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/182 "2013-05-10T22:02:56Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > One thing I wondered if I missed something. So he fixed himself as well. There wasn’t anything in this movie that showed him gaining that ability and so he could have done that at anytime. Instead it was just him growing up enough to be willing to separate himself from his Iron Man identity? They showed a little scene of a surgeon removing the shrapnel from his chest, so by “fixing himself” he meant “had a heart surgeon fix him”, which is something I’ve never understood why he didn’t do it sooner, other than that it was comic book canon that Tony has shrapnel in his heart. I was kind of disappointed that he fixed Pepper just as casually–having a girlfriend who’s nigh-indestructible would seem to me to be an advantage. Still, stability’s going to be an issue. > [@MovieCriticNextDoor](#): > > The part where Tony tells Rhodey that he can’t have a suit because they’re all ‘coded’ to him, Tony. Yet Pepper uses a suit, if awkwardly. And Tony (or Jarvis, whoever does that) was able to slap a suit onto Killian. Maybe the coding only affects being able to use the suit? Pepper might have counted as an ‘authorized user’, but wouldn’t Rhodey also be considered enough of a trusted ally to get the same status? Model 42 was still a prototype and mostly just did whatever Tony told it to do–get on me, get on Pepper, get on that guy. When Pepper was wearing it, although she was able to walk, she couldn’t get the thruster to fire to blow the door open on the first try, so it took the interface a few seconds to get up to speed on what she wanted it to do. When it was on the Bad Guy, Tony didn’t give it enough time to have to decide who to take orders from, Tony or the rider. Something I’ve been wondering about… I missed a few decades in the Iron Man comics, but I don’t remember them being this ablative. I can remember a certain amount of damage being done in major fights, but ISTM that he’d usually end a comic wearing the same suit he started in, and he only had alternate suits for space, or underwater, or really heavy lifting. Has the way the suits have been depicted changed, or did they just extend the fragility of the suits to the point that they’re actually kind of silly now? > [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > What I saw was Pepper tossing something at him, a little unexploded missile or something, and then shooting it with the repulsor just as it hit him. So it was explosives plus repulsor ray plus previous damage all at once. It looked to me like she was throwing an Ex-Wife at him, and then I thought “this’ll be the Stark Industries version, which means much more–” BOOM. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/183 "2013-05-11T00:25:15Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > They showed a little scene of a surgeon removing the shrapnel from his chest, so by “fixing himself” he meant “had a heart surgeon fix him”, which is something I’ve never understood why he didn’t do it sooner, other than that it was comic book canon that Tony has shrapnel in his heart. Shrapnel near his heart - too close for a surgeon to do anything with - hence the magnet always pulling it the other direction. In the scene with the surgeon - they had a pretty big magnet powered by one of his little reactors - so all the surgeon had to do was ‘free it’ and let the magnet do the rest. ---
**Author:** ![AaronX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@AaronX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AaronX)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/184 "2013-05-11T04:27:18Z")
> [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > What I saw was Pepper tossing something at him, a little unexploded missile or something, and then shooting it with the repulsor just as it hit him. So it was explosives plus repulsor ray plus previous damage all at once. Oh, was that a missile? I thought it was just a rod. It didn’t have any fins or markings. Something I never understood: does Iron Man have a heart or not? If he does, why couldn’t Loki control him in The Avengers? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/185 "2013-05-11T04:35:56Z")
Tony Stark definitely has a heart, though the first movie (and some of the comics?) are somewhat unclear on what the Arc Reactor in his chest actually does. The movie swaps between saying that it’s powering the electromagnet that’s keeping the shrapnel from further penetrating his heart and killing him, and saying that the reactor “powers” his heart. I thought I read that the comics also oscillate between those two statements, but I haven’t read any of them, so someone more familiar than I am is going to have to weigh in on that. Presumably, Loki couldn’t control Stark in The Avengers because his Plot Staff of Domination had to touch the exact center of the target’s chest in order to function properly, or because it, the Arc Reactor, and the Tesseract function on the same underlying magic/science principles. Or just that Loki was always used to it working on the first shot and he panicked when it didn’t work. What I never understood was why Tony put himself in that position. He couldn’t possibly have known that the staff wouldn’t work; it was an incredible risk. Though I suppose that’s Tony Stark in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/186 "2013-05-12T02:54:08Z")
I just saw it, and thought it was great. The scene where the house is attacked and Tony armors up Pepper was worth the price of admission by itself. I also loved the plot twist with the Mandarin. The whole movie up to that point, I was thinking, “Wait, what does this guy with the beard have to do with anything? He doesn’t really seem to fit.”. But of course, he did fit, and made perfect sense. For what it’s worth, though, I wasn’t familiar with the comics version of the character, so I didn’t have an investment in him. On the War Machine suit being disabled by the heat grip, remember, that’s only the Mark 2-- It still had a lot of bugs to be worked out, and I think it’s quite plausible that one of those bugs would have involved thermal management. And on Pepper being able to control the suit, my impression is that, as of some time in the previous movie, all of Stark’s AI tech actually answers primarily to her, and only secondarily to him. Her difficulty in getting the repulsors to work wasn’t a matter of the suit being unsure of her authorization, but just a matter of her not knowing what the heck she was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/187 "2013-05-13T00:28:30Z")
> [@AaronX](#): > > Something I never understood: does Iron Man have a heart or not? Not sure if I should tell you this, but… Ok, but like John 3:16, you asked for it… You’ve gotta have heart! All you _really_ need is heart…! With uni-beam, repulsors & bolts Without its jolts, they fall apart… ---
**Author:** ![ruh-roh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ruh-roh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruh-roh)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/188 "2013-05-13T04:11:10Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Please don’t support the 3D market! 🙂 > I know it’s a personal thing; but I think 3D is being shoved down our throats; and most of it just isn’t that good! Why do they keep calling it 3-D? When I can get up and walk around and look behind it, then it will be 3-D. Most of the theaters around here will offer a movie in either format. They charge you extra for the funny glasses (that don’t work well over regular glasses), and 10 minutes into the movie you forget you are watching 3-D, unless they throw something directly at the audience, which can only happen a few times before the effect gets old. Stereoscopic works well for a Disney “ride”, and I once saw an IMAX show with a very instructive view of a DNA helix, but for movies ( and TVs ) I just refuse to participate. If that is the only version the theater offers, I just don’t go. It’ll be out on DVD next month anyway. Iron Man Three was technically wonderful, and fun to watch, but disappointing for all of the reasons mentioned above. The sky diving scene was the worst.. too far outside my suspension of disbelief. My major thought on the way out is that Tony Stark is no longer needed as Iron Man. There can be lots of them, and nobody needed inside the suit. The good old American way of quantity over quality. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/189 "2013-05-13T13:53:57Z")
I was really expecting the giant stuffed bunny to be a Chekhov’s Gun, and maybe have another Iron Man suit inside. I missed part of a line in the movie. Tony’s just put dog tags in the microwave and started a fire and said, “I’ve dated hotter chicks than you.” The villain (who had posed as a member of Homeland Security) says something like, “That’s all you’ve got, a (missed this part) and a cheap one-liner?” Then Tony says, “That’s going to be the title of my autobiography.” Can anyone give me the correct “title”? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/190 "2013-05-13T14:06:50Z")
[IMDb.com](http://IMDb.com) says: Brandt: Is that all you’ve got? A cheap trick and a cheesy one-liner? Tony Stark: Sweetheart, that could be the name of my autobiography. I also liked this: Mandarin’s Guard: [after Tony Stark incapacitates almost all Mandarin guards, the last one quickly surrenders] Don’t shoot! Seriously, I don’t even like working here. They are so weird! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/191 "2013-05-13T15:30:41Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > No major complaints about this one. I could have done with less vagueness in the ending (oh, you fixed Pepper? In what way? Is she now superhuman? Did you get rid of extremis or just stabilize her? Do you have extremis? EXPLAIN!) Overall, I’d call it maybe the third best Marvel movie, and I plan to see it again soon. Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Maybe they left it unclear to allow the plots of future movies to go different ways if they want. She could either be back to normal, or she could be super-powered but have it under control if they want that for a future Iron Man movie. > [@obfusciatrist](#): > > One thing I wondered if I missed something. So he fixed himself as well. There wasn’t anything in this movie that showed him gaining that ability and so he could have done that at anytime. Instead it was just him growing up enough to be willing to separate himself from his Iron Man identity? Yeah, I think it is him growing up. But also a lot of the movie was about technology improving, so it doesn’t bother me that in the previous movies it wouldn’t have been possible to fix Tony, but now the technology is good enough that the surgery could be done. > [@pancakes3](#): > > It was an overly complex and convoluted plan. Use the Mandarin to depose the president, using the oil tanker as a trump card political statement. Have the reluctant VP - who’s in because he wants his daughter’s leg to heal - step in as President and then authorize the research, development, and purchase of the Extremis system for super-soldiers and thus profit. Kidnap Pepper because she’s kind of sexy. Kind of. > > The problem is that the entire plan could have been done through legal means. Stark Industries itself was spawned as a result of the military-industrial complex. A means to regenerate limbs within a few seconds would only benefit moreso from the military-medical-industrial complex. Do we know that the VP was actually reluctant? He might be a VP who quietly seethed that he had to report to a president he didn’t like. Then when someone came along and offered him a chance to be in charge, along with a chance to fix his daughter’s leg, he was happy enough to go along with it. Also, wasn’t Killian trying to go the legal route at the beginning of the movie? He went to Stark Industries to meet with Pepper, and I’m guessing if she had agreed, then he’d have financial backing to move forward with Extremis in a somewhat legal way. > [@MovieCriticNextDoor](#): > > The vice-president’s daughter counts as at least a semi-public figure. If they’re so determined to keep Extremis a deep, dark secret (for no good reason, as discussed above), then how will her sudden acquisition of a new leg be explained? I don’t know if it would be possible to pass it off as a high-tech prosthetic, and then everyone else in a similar situation would start clamoring for one of their own anyway. What good would a new leg do her if she has to hide its existence all the time? My guess is that once Killian succeeded in his plans, and the VP became president, and he had all the money he needed to move forward, that eventually Extremis wouldn’t be secret anymore. He’d be able to sell it to people who wanted to fix disabilities, and people who wanted to heal quickly. And he’d be able to sell it at quite a high price. And it would be quite an endorsement to be able to show that the president trusted the technology on his own child. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Was that Killian’s plan? I got the impression that Maya and Killian weren’t on the same page on a lot of aspects of what AIM was doing and whether Extremis needed more work, so I took it as Maya pursuing her own plan semi-independent of Killian. I agree with you. Killian planned on destroying Tony’s house and killing Tony, but Maya thought Tony would be useful in helping to improve Extremis, based on the calculations Tony wrote on New Year’s Day 13 years ago. But since Killian didn’t seem to think that Extremis needed improvement, it was unclear to me why he didn’t kill Tony once Tony was captured. Was it merely to taunt Tony about having captured Pepper and being better than him? Also, did Killian initially not care if he killed Pepper or not? He must have known that Pepper lives with Tony, and there’s a good chance if he destroys the Stark house that he’d kill Pepper along with Tony. But once he saw that she survived, he thought what the heck I might as well kidnap her. I was confused by that part. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/192 "2013-05-13T17:52:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > [IMDb.com](http://IMDb.com) says: > > Brandt: Is that all you’ve got? A cheap trick and a cheesy one-liner? > Tony Stark: Sweetheart, that could be the name of my autobiography. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/193 "2013-05-13T18:05:56Z")
Killian considered the current version of Extremis _acceptable_– That doesn’t mean it couldn’t still be improved. Likewise, he considered killing Pepper to be acceptable, even if not optimal: Even after he had her, he still took some big risks with her (just what percentage of Extremites survive the initial bonding phase?). ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/194 "2013-05-13T18:40:24Z")
I knew very little of I-3s plot before I went & only saw the commercial a few times beforehand. I know they were playing up the scene where Pepper is in the suit holding Tony (its one of the romantic moments). Not knowing plot, I thought that he might have made a suit for her in case of an emergency or that she put one on because he was incapacitated. And… as silly a thought as it was, given time spent in the suit in long flights, I wondered how PO’d Tony Stark would be if she’d had Jarvis redo / update all his music playlists to hers? I mean, he’s in the heat of battle. Just how much time could he devote to getting Joni Mitchell off the internal speakers? - ♪ Help me… i think I’m falling… ♫ \* “Jarvis, you get this off or I will kill you.” “May I remind you that I’m not alive, Sir?” ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/195 "2013-05-27T14:10:37Z")
Saw it yesterday and liked it a lot! Kingsley’s vocal performance as The Mandarin reminded me of Walter Cronkite. Am i the only one? ---
**Author:** ![AaronX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@AaronX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AaronX)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/196 "2013-05-27T14:56:32Z")
I saw Iron Man 1 again and I noticed Agent Coulson was in it too :smack: I thought he only appeared in The Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699/197 "2013-05-27T16:00:25Z")
> [@AaronX](#): > > I saw Iron Man 1 again and I noticed Agent Coulson was in it too :smack: I thought he only appeared in The Avengers. He was also in Thor and Iron Man 2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-seen-iron-man-3-open-spoilers/656699.md?page=9)