# Just watched Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 28, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640 "2016-06-28T18:56:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640/21 "2016-07-05T21:18:27Z")
> [@Shawn1767](#): > > And based on this experience, I probably won’t see any more DC movies period. Not until they reboot them or something. Unfortunately, you may have to wait over a decade for that. I think our best hope is that other directors do a better job with the source material. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640/22 "2016-07-05T23:51:00Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Actually it says it obviously and repeatedly, right from the beginning and many time thereafter. I couldn’t remember if that had…thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640/23 "2016-07-06T01:32:36Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yeah, none of that is accurate. They were initially pulling their punches, but by the end when Tony was fighting Steve and Bucky, no punches were being pulled. The villain’s plot made perfect sense and was refreshingly simple and straight-forward, particularly compared to Luthor’s plan in BvS. The motivations for the final fight weren’t stretched at all and it was not coincidental by definition: Zemo set things up that way. Jeez, did you write the movie? Do you know the director? Defensive much? I thought the villains plot was distinctly NOT “refreshingly simple”. It was simple because it was an easy revenge plot, but the execution of it relied on luck and circumstance rather than careful manipulation and genius. The final fight motivations were entirely coincidental because IM had a great reason to be fighting Cap, but Cap’s violence towards IM was a step further than “I’m defending myself” and “I’m defending my friend.” Also Caps motivations are extremely far-reaching. For a military man he’s quite willing to sacrifice the many for his one guy ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640/24 "2016-07-06T01:55:18Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Jeez, did you write the movie? Do you know the director? Defensive much? I don’t have to be defensive to disagree with someone. > [@](#): > > I thought the villains plot was distinctly NOT “refreshingly simple”. It was simple because it was an easy revenge plot, but the execution of it relied on luck and circumstance rather than careful manipulation and genius. No, his plan was to manipulate Iron Man into hunting for Bucky, knowing Cap would side with his old friend. He made it obvious that he was going to Siberia, knowing that eventually Cap, Bucky and Tony would all be in Siberia together. If Iron Man hadn’t come immediately, he would have come eventually. Dramatically, it was handier for them to come together immediately, but it wasn’t key to his plan. He was secure behind his blast shield, he could have waited for days. > [@](#): > > The final fight motivations were entirely coincidental because IM had a great reason to be fighting Cap, but Cap’s violence towards IM was a step further than “I’m defending myself” and “I’m defending my friend.” Once Tony made it clear he was going to kill Bucky and wouldn’t talk about it, Steve did what he had to do, and even then he stopped short of killing Tony. > [@](#): > > Also Caps motivations are extremely far-reaching. For a military man he’s quite willing to sacrifice the many for his one guy That one guy is the only thing left from his former life, now that Peggy’s dead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-watched-batman-v-superman-ultimate-edition/758640.md?page=1)