# Just when you think all those people that natter about conspiracies are loons, this pops up **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 1, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013 "2011-08-01T06:00:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/1 "2011-08-01T06:00:42Z")
Wow.. just wow. This is like something from a cheap novel. [Duped by a blonde too good to be true, ‘Dirty DUI’ victim seeks redemption](http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_18589548) > [@](#): > > MARTINEZ – She was a striking blonde who spent a lot of time in Hawaii, just like he did. She was an avid Sharks fan, just like him. She said all the right things and made it clear that she wanted him. > > “I haven’t had sex in so long,” she cooed on their first date. > > Deep down, Dave Dutcher – unassuming aeronautics engineer, father of three, recently split from his wife – suspected that his [Match.com](http://Match.com) sweetheart was too good to be true. And when a wildly flirtatious second date ended in a DUI, Dutcher wondered whether his ex-wife was somehow connected to the woman who had fed him shots and invited him hot-tubbing with an equally coquettish friend. > > Then, two years later, a major police corruption scandal centered on a Concord private investigator exploded, and a prosecutor confirmed Dutcher’s suspicions: He had been set up. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/2 "2011-08-01T06:34:25Z")
A woman flashes her breasts at the man in a bar, she gets into her car and drives away, the man (who is drunk) gets into his car and follows. How is that a set-up? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/3 "2011-08-01T06:47:28Z")
All the good stuff happens here in Contra Costa County. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/4 "2011-08-01T07:05:34Z")
So he didn’t get to bed her, then? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/5 "2011-08-01T07:24:06Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > A woman flashes her breasts at the man in a bar, she gets into her car and drives away, the man (who is drunk) gets into his car and follows. How is that a set-up? Read the linked article. The charge is she was hired by a private detective working for his soon to be ex-wife to damage his reputation and his chances for success in the divorce and custody proceedings by making him look like a less fit parent via the DUI setup. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/6 "2011-08-01T15:25:37Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Read the linked article. The charge is she was hired by a private detective working for his soon to be ex-wife to damage his reputation and his chances for success in the divorce and custody proceedings by making him look like a less fit parent via the DUI setup. Yeah I read the article. I don’t see how any of that makes a difference to the fact that he chose to drive drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/7 "2011-08-01T15:27:34Z")
Moving thread from IMHO to MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/8 "2011-08-01T15:44:49Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Yeah I read the article. I don’t see how any of that makes a difference to the fact that he chose to drive drunk. Good point, but she got him drunk, flashed him in the bar with her friend and asked him to follow them, and a policeman was told to look for him. Certainly his fault for drinking too much, but also certainly a setup. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/9 "2011-08-01T15:52:34Z")
Honestly, I think we should give them an award. If you’re that dumb, you deserve a DUI. Seriously guys, your goal in life should be to be smarter than a pair of breasts. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/10 "2011-08-01T15:58:19Z")
Gee, the ex-wife sounds like a real sweetheart: > [@](#): > > “Again, there was no plan to set up a DUI arrest; I only wanted Mr. Butler to watch Mr. Dutcher drink and drive so he could report this to the court for the safety and protection of my children,” Susan Dutcher wrote in a declaration to the court. “There was never a discussion with me about Mr. Butler notifying the police if he saw Mr. Dutcher driving after drinking to excess.” And this is a good thing? “I just wanted to get him drunk and turn him loose on the highways; I didn’t want him to actually _get arrested_. I mean, if he killed somebody, that’s a small price to pay for a better divorce settlement.” ---
**Author:** ![curious11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ac91a4/32.png) [@curious11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curious11)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/11 "2011-08-01T16:00:14Z")
Tell me this isn’t the same guy who went to the hotel room where the three women he was seeing tied him up and glued his thing to his belly? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/12 "2011-08-01T16:19:28Z")
I agree that Dutcher should be held responsible for his actions. He did choose do drive his car while drunk. But the other people in this situation should also be held legally accountable if they encouraged somebody to get drunk and go driving. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/13 "2011-08-01T16:33:13Z")
I didn’t know that any 49 year-old men actually went to the Old Spaghetti Factory for a date… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/14 "2011-08-01T16:44:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But the other people in this situation should also be held legally accountable if they encouraged somebody to get drunk and go driving. I would imagine that they encouraged him to drive and assured him that he wasn’t impaired. Now, a fellow experienced with drinking would know he was plastered, but his judgment was obviously impaired at that point. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/15 "2011-08-01T17:07:38Z")
While Mr. Dutcher is responsible for his actions in driving intoxicated, you have to admit the whole thing smells really bad on other levels. The private investigation service is responsible for encouraging the man to drive drunk. He actually drove DUI at their encouragement, so they’re parties to a crime. It appears - it’s disputed, but come on - that the police were in on it, which means the cops are participating in encouraging people to drive drunk just so they can arrest them, rather than expending their resources on, you know, catching people who would have been driving drunk anyway. And all this appears to have bene set up in the hopes of manipulating a custody arrangement and the lives of young children. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_I\_Am](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@Sam\_I\_Am](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_I_Am)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/16 "2011-08-01T17:26:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > While Mr. Dutcher is responsible for his actions in driving intoxicated, you have to admit the whole thing smells really bad on other levels. > > The private investigation service is responsible for encouraging the man to drive drunk. He actually drove DUI at their encouragement, so they’re parties to a crime. > > It appears - it’s disputed, but come on - that the police were in on it, which means the cops are participating in encouraging people to drive drunk just so they can arrest them, rather than expending their resources on, you know, catching people who would have been driving drunk anyway. > > And all this appears to have bene set up in the hopes of manipulating a custody arrangement and the lives of young children. > > Yuck. It’s possible it was done to protect the lives of young children. A friend of mine, KNOWS that her ex drives drunk with the kids in the car when he has them. He tried to lie to the divorce judge about a DUI when he was supposedly sober. I could see her going to extremes to get proof he was still driving while drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/17 "2011-08-01T17:31:47Z")
> [@Sam\_I\_Am](#): > > It’s possible it was done to protect the lives of young children. A friend of mine, KNOWS that her ex drives drunk with the kids in the car when he has them. He tried to lie to the divorce judge about a DUI when he was supposedly sober. I could see her going to extremes to get proof he was still driving while drunk. Yeah, I can kind of see the wife’s point of view - if she knew for certain that he does drive drunk, but didn’t want to outright get him busted on a DUI, then at least some kind of proof would help protect the kids and shame him with the evidence, so maybe he’d knock it off. Instead, we get corrupt cops, a DUI arrest, and everyone comes out looking like crap. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/18 "2011-08-01T17:45:21Z")
> [@Sam\_I\_Am](#): > > A friend of mine, KNOWS that her ex drives drunk with the kids in the car And my Ex told the judge I drink eight liters of wine a day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Plumbkrazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Plumbkrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumbkrazy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/19 "2011-08-01T17:52:48Z")
When you think you are going to have sex with a hot woman, you stay sober for it. It’s the coyotes that require booze first. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013/20 "2011-08-01T17:55:42Z")
So an ex-showgirl gets taken to Spaghetti Factory on a second date by a guy who looks like that and he truly thinks it’s going to be a panty dropper? How dumb is he? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/just-when-you-think-all-those-people-that-natter-about-conspiracies-are-loons-this-pops-up/591013.md?page=2)