# Justice Dept. Removes Stars and Stripes from Website **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2010, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241 "2010-09-01T09:56:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/41 "2010-09-01T22:36:19Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > This is law 101, learned in the first week at any first year law class. > [@](#): > > I believe you are correct to a degree on the European nations [using civil as opposed to common law systems]… You know what else is covered in law 101? That **Don123** doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/42 "2010-09-01T22:58:16Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > > [@Merneith](#): > > > > Here’s the Attorney General’s page: > > [Office of the Attorney General | Office of the Attorney General](http://www.justice.gov/ag/) > > Hoo Crap! The AG looks just like The Obama Lama except with a moustache and blonder hair! No wonder dude looks so damned tired all the time, he’s doing both jobs! They all look alike. Just sayin’ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/43 "2010-09-01T23:58:37Z")
Don, so I guess once a website of the government has a flag, no matter how small, on it, it must remain there forever? You’re looking at this from a flag/no flag standpoint. That is wrong. You, my friend, are a xenophobic and paranoid bigot. Just because the flag is removed doesn’t make it all about the flag. Think of it this way, if a government website had to be designed from scratch, like for a new department or something, then would it be news if it didn’t include a flag? Right now you are looking at things from the hilariously childish viewpoint of the old website, where the flag is prominent. Instead imagine a blank website, designed from the ground up. Flag or no flag, it’s just a design. It’s meaningless. Then again, I’m arguing with a troll so ooga booga to you :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/44 "2010-09-02T00:10:23Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You know what else is covered in law 101? Hitler! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/45 "2010-09-02T00:16:12Z")
It’s kind of a boring-looking site, but there does seem to be a fair amount of info available from the first page. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/46 "2010-09-02T00:33:02Z")
**Don123** , were you BORN hating America or were you TAUGHT to hate America in some madrassa? It sounds to me like you’re a BORN America-hater – someone who lacks a crucial part of the mental machinery required to operate in a free and open society. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/47 "2010-09-02T00:35:16Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > By contrast, here’s the old website, according to the Wayback Machine: > [http://web.archive.org/web/20080708201613/http://www.justice.gov/](http://web.archive.org/web/20080708201613/http://www.justice.gov/) > > The old one looks like a newsletter put up by someone’s kid for a school html project. It’s cluttered, it’s ugly, it’s frankly amateurish. > > There’s no question which version looks more appropriate for the highest Justice Department in our government. Under “most requested”: [Crack Cocaine](http://web.archive.org/web/20080704015747/www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3978/index.htm) > [@Don123](#): > > Accordingly the USA would have been better off never to have a black slave in this country and left the blacks in Africa. It’s kinda neat how you made “slavery is bad” sound racist there. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/48 "2010-09-02T00:38:52Z")
We were about due for another **Beryl\_Mooncalf.** ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/49 "2010-09-02T00:53:50Z")
Real Americans won’t go for that ghetto shit. Cloaking the DOJ website in Black Power colors is beyond the pale. Where is the Love of Country in that? Firstly, each banner should be flanked by [by one of these.](http://www.pingafriend.com/glitter/images/patriotic/patriotic1.gif) The Criminal Justice System as a Counterterrorism Tool [must incorporate this image at least once on each page.](http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/wannadrink3/9-11-pictures/9-11-eagle-crying.gif) And [this should be watermarked on all pages of Justice Department en Espanol.](http://controlcongress.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Aztec_Terrorist.jpg) We must regain our honor, America. The Prezdint has painted the Oval Office brown!!! ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/50 "2010-09-02T00:57:08Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > We were about due for another **Beryl\_Mooncalf.** Since you live in a jurisdiction that doesn’t follow the Common Law legal system, shouldn’t you be out committing rampant acts of lawlessness and property destruction? Or at least fending off the looters who are surely clawing at your door? As we learned recently, the rule of law is impossible without the Common Law system. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/51 "2010-09-02T01:05:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You know what else is covered in law 101? That **Don123** doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. I saw that on the syllabus, said, “Well shit, I already know that,” and went into engineering instead. I don’t actually care, and I certainly don’t frequent the sites, but I think they look nice. Like encyclopedias. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/52 "2010-09-02T01:22:37Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > This is law 101, learned in the first week at any first year law class. I am going to write a _strongly_ worded letter to the Dean of my law school. Why, I’ve never taken “law 101” at all! No wonder I don’t know that Obama… er, what is the complaint here? I can’t really tell. From the way it was headed, I thought we were going to learn about how the new website design meant that Obama instituted Sharia law under our noses. _That_ would’ve been fun, if only because it’s fun to picture the President himself creating the new site, alone, in a dark room, cackling malevolently. This is just confusing and wordy. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/53 "2010-09-02T01:25:09Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Real Americans won’t go for that ghetto shit. Cloaking the DOJ website in Black Power colors is beyond the pale. Where is the Love of Country in that? > > Firstly, each banner should be flanked by [by one of these.](http://www.pingafriend.com/glitter/images/patriotic/patriotic1.gif) > > The Criminal Justice System as a Counterterrorism Tool [must incorporate this image at least once on each page.](http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/wannadrink3/9-11-pictures/9-11-eagle-crying.gif) > > And [this should be watermarked on all pages of Justice Department en Espanol.](http://controlcongress.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Aztec_Terrorist.jpg) > > We must regain our honor, America. The Prezdint has painted the Oval Office brown!!! You forgot one thing. The official vehicle of the U.S. Marshals should be the Captain America motorcycle from Easy Rider. Instead of using sedans, all the agents will just ride one of those. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/54 "2010-09-02T01:29:36Z")
They were going to change it to that but Obama got them a good deal on spinners for the sedans at his neighborhood rim shop back in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/55 "2010-09-02T01:33:38Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > what can I say other than liberals do not have much brains. It’s pretty clear you can say an awful lot more than that. Granted, it’s just about all meandering, off-point or blatantly false, but you _do_ manage to say a lot of it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/56 "2010-09-02T01:43:22Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > This is just confusing and wordy. I think \*\*Don \*\*might be the guy who writes all those glurgy political e-mails everyone gets forwarded by that one loony uncle/cousin/mother-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/57 "2010-09-02T02:06:00Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I was just about to make those points myself, Duckster > [http://www.justice.gov/](http://www.justice.gov/) > > It looks very classy and also very modern. It’s not stark black & white but shades of dark grey with an off-white background and gold accents. Here’s the Attorney General’s page: > [Office of the Attorney General | Office of the Attorney General](http://www.justice.gov/ag/) > > You can see they brought a bit of the gold into a sort of parchment border at the top. It looks very lawyerly and extremely professional. Elegant, even. > > By contrast, here’s the old website, according to the Wayback Machine: > [http://web.archive.org/web/20080708201613/http://www.justice.gov/](http://web.archive.org/web/20080708201613/http://www.justice.gov/) > > The old one looks like a newsletter put up by someone’s kid for a school html project. It’s cluttered, it’s ugly, it’s frankly amateurish. > > There’s no question which version looks more appropriate for the highest Justice Department in our government. I agree. Overall, the new one is a big improvement. Aside from the fact that it portrays Holder as being our AG. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/58 "2010-09-02T02:18:51Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] I agree. Overall, the new one is a big improvement. Aside from the fact that it portrays Holder as being our AG. 😉 [/QUOTE] Yeah. I agree. When he got sacked late today, I was shocked. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/59 "2010-09-02T02:25:20Z")
Help me out, I lost my program - people are really upset about this? It looks like a nice web-site; I haven’t poked around it, but it looks nice and is easy to read. It’s elegant and serious and professional. Ah, I see, it’s the flag. Tell me, how did a primarily Christian nation become such a bunch of idolators? Worshipers of a symbol as more important than the ideal. Let me know when someone posts to complain about the FDA website, > [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I don’t actually care, and I certainly don’t frequent the sites, but I think they look nice. Like encyclopedias. That’s a good analogy. Probably what’s pissing people off - the idea that people should acquire accurate information, and, heaven forfend, think about it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241/60 "2010-09-02T02:26:26Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > The Oval Office makeover completed while President Obama was on vacation includes a new rug, wallpaper, and custom furniture. The ‘Resolute’ desk, installed in the Oval Office by John F. Kennedy, remains > > . This must be a nod to the _illuminati_. You can’t fool me, I saw _National Treasure_. I’m not worried. The Tomb Raider can kick their asses again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-dept-removes-stars-and-stripes-from-website/552241.md?page=4)