# Justice Kennedy retiring **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857 "2018-06-27T18:14:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/81 "2018-06-28T02:28:00Z")
In all seriousness, Trump’s priority here is going to be evading Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/82 "2018-06-28T02:28:22Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I can’t say I’m proud to be Canadian because being born in a civilized country isn’t really an accomplishment on my part. But holy shit am I glad to be Canadian right now. I’m sorry, decent Americans. You don’t deserve to suffer for the sake of fucks like Hurricane Ditka and Richard Spencer. I also can’t say that I’m proud to be Canadian just because of the cosmic lottery-win that allowed me to born in Canada with parents who were Canadian citizens, but I try to live a life worthy of being Canadian, to earn what chance bestowed upon me, and in that regard I hold cousin Americans as cautionary examples of how not to behave. Heck, I remember a time when a song title _Take This Job and Shove It_ seemed incredibly naughty and transgressive, but if tomorrow the American President wore a button that read _LIBERALS SHOULD BE ASS-RAPED TO DEATH_, then I’d expect the reaction to be tongue-clucking from opponents, cheering from supporters, then tongue-clucking about the cheering. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/83 "2018-06-28T02:33:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I have my doubts that Trump will be able to get another nominee confirmed before the midterms, even if he only needs 50 votes (plus the presumed Pence tiebreaker). I particularly doubt McCain is going to drag himself out of a sickbed to help him out. I agree. > [@Bricker](#): > > Justice Scaramucci probably won’t order the first round-up of the vulnerable until early next year, so relax. How wonderful that you think that the fears of large groups of Americans are risible. After what we just saw the Trump administration do to children as a bargaining tactic, why is there any reason to feel optimistic about civil rights under a new court? > [@SteveG1](#): > > Roe vs Wade is the next possible target maybe. > > Or whatever one says you can’t persecute non-“Christians”. … Christian my ASS. > > This is a disaster. Ding, ding. No question. This is the first target. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > They would if they could, but they can’t, so they won’t. Yes, Democrats absolutely will be postponing the vote until after the election. They’re already on the news talking about it. I think they can get the votes to do it. McCain has already been mentioned as a vote that the Republicans can’t count on. I think we can pull Murkowski and Collins too, if Roe v Wade is under threat. Healthcare will also be under threat. Collins and Murkowski might also cross the aisle for that issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/84 "2018-06-28T02:49:06Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, Democrats absolutely will be postponing the vote until after the election. They’re already on the news talking about it. I think they can get the votes to do it. McCain has already been mentioned as a vote that the Republicans can’t count on. I think we can pull Murkowski and Collins too, if Roe v Wade is under threat. Healthcare will also be under threat. Collins and Murkowski might also cross the aisle for that issue. I like your optimism, and I hope you’re right, but I’d wager Trump will seat a justice before election day. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/85 "2018-06-28T02:56:51Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, Democrats absolutely will be postponing the vote until after the election. They’re already on the news talking about it. I think they can get the votes to do it. McCain has already been mentioned as a vote that the Republicans can’t count on. I think we can pull Murkowski and Collins too, if Roe v Wade is under threat. Healthcare will also be under threat. Collins and Murkowski might also cross the aisle for that issue. I think that is all wishful thinking. I doubt that even Democrats can be counted on to vote against Trump’s nominee. Heitkamp, Tester and Manchin all are trying to win re-election in Trump country, and will probably vote for any nominee without horns and cloven hooves. They voted for Gorsuch. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/86 "2018-06-28T03:16:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t agree at all with your assessment I think Gorsuch has done a fine job, and I suspect when you say “better,” you simply mean “more likely to deliver results I want.” > > In contrast, I mean “More likely to delivers results derived from the text of the canon being applied.” You mean “more likely to deliver results derived from an interpretation of the text that matches mine.” Which is the same thing. Fuck you **Bricker** you sanctimonious piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/87 "2018-06-28T03:31:34Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’m not seeing any evidence in this thread that conservatives, even here on this board, care one iota about gay people, Muslims, the ability of minorities to vote, or the poor and disabled. At least stop pretending to care; just advocate camps, or at least federal laws restricting their rights, and be done with it. Hell, I’d be satisfied with an affirmative, “no, I don’t particularly care what happens to them.” Be intellectually honest for once. You are so very wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/88 "2018-06-28T03:38:39Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You mean “more likely to deliver results derived from an interpretation of the text that matches mine.” Which is the same thing. > > Fuck you **Bricker** you sanctimonious piece of shit. No. I mean when the claim is that the Constitution requires that first trimester abortions be free from state interference, that’s not a claim that can be said to unambiguously derive from the text. I think what makes you angry is that you know this. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/89 "2018-06-28T03:41:11Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, Democrats absolutely will be postponing the vote until after the election. They’re already on the news talking about it. I think they can get the votes to do it. McCain has already been mentioned as a vote that the Republicans can’t count on. I think we can pull Murkowski and Collins too, if Roe v Wade is under threat. Healthcare will also be under threat. Collins and Murkowski might also cross the aisle for that issue. You really think so? Want to bet? I bet that a new justice is confirmed before the election. Even money, $50 to the winner. You in? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/90 "2018-06-28T03:42:12Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I like your optimism, and I hope you’re right, but I’d wager Trump will seat a justice before election day. Me too! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/91 "2018-06-28T03:54:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You really think so? > > Want to bet? > > I bet that a new justice is confirmed before the election. Even money, $50 to the winner. You in? What’s your tipple? ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/92 "2018-06-28T04:06:03Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’m not seeing any evidence in this thread that conservatives, even here on this board, care one iota about gay people, Muslims, the ability of minorities to vote, or the poor and disabled. At least stop pretending to care; just advocate camps, or at least federal laws restricting their rights, and be done with it. Hell, I’d be satisfied with an affirmative, “no, I don’t particularly care what happens to them.” Be intellectually honest for once. Republicans do not want this. You are seeing this through a fish-eye lens of your selected media exposure. We want a level playing field for all instead of installing some artificial handicap and telling the poor, muslim, disabled, gay or minority population that they are not good enough and need help because their enemies that are white, straight males through no choice of their own are oppressing them to get ahead instead of working with the merit system as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/93 "2018-06-28T04:20:26Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Republicans do not want this. You are seeing this through a fish-eye lens of your selected media exposure. We want a level playing field for all instead of installing some artificial handicap and telling the poor, muslim, disabled, gay or minority population that they are not good enough and need help because their enemies that are white, straight males through no choice of their own are oppressing them to get ahead instead of working with the merit system as intended. BULLSHIT. Just a load of total bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/94 "2018-06-28T04:37:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I like your optimism, and I hope you’re right, but I’d wager Trump will seat a justice before election day. Consider this: it makes sense that Pres POH would try to seat a Justice as soon as possible. That would clearly further the agenda of the party in power. It’s the obvious thing to try to do asap. BUT there is the streak of pure contrariness that he is known for. He often rejects the predictable option just because it’s what people expect. Even his own people. If the reasonable sequence of events is A –\> B –\> C –\> D, he will do A –\> B –\> C and go straight to \*Fuck You \*just to show how independent and spontaneous he is. If everyone thinks the best decision is \, he’ll do the opposite just to prove how much smarter he is than all those wimps who thought they could predict him. He’s Mr. Shoot from the Hip, not Mr. Keep on Course. Except a golf course. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/95 "2018-06-28T04:37:55Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > What’s your tipple? Single-malt scotch. In that price range, maybe the Glenrothes Sherry Cask Reserve. Yours? We could do a bottle bet. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/96 "2018-06-28T04:40:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Consider this: it makes sense that Pres POH would try to seat a Justice as soon as possible. That would clearly further the agenda of the party in power. It’s the obvious thing to try to do asap. > > BUT there is the streak of pure contrariness that he is known for. He often rejects the predictable option just because it’s what people expect. Even his own people. If the reasonable sequence of events is A –\> B –\> C –\> D, he will do A –\> B –\> C and go straight to \*Fuck You \*just to show how independent and spontaneous he is. If everyone thinks the best decision is \, he’ll do the opposite just to prove how much smarter he is than all those wimps who thought they could predict him. He’s Mr. Shoot from the Hip, not Mr. Keep on Course. Except a golf course. Of course. He’s dumber than a box of rocks, no argument there. But even a box of rocks wouldn’t be that contrary. I might have a bottle of scotch resting on that, so please don’t think too hard about why I’m betting wrong yet. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/97 "2018-06-28T05:03:09Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > We are all screwed. Hurray! Oh, ☹ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/98 "2018-06-28T05:08:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Oh, and I assume **Shodan** said some stuff. I wouldn’t know… Do you have a Monkey script to suppress **Shodan** even when someone quotes him? I still have the ‘privilege’ of getting “Best of Shodan’s shit-flinging” that way. > [@Bricker](#): > > As a known right-winger, I also favor a policy of not hitting myself in the head with a cudgel, and of drinking water when thirsty. But this does not mean that wise people, learning this, should hit themselves on the head and avoid water when thirsty. There’s a parable about the novice monk who makes a strenuous climb to hear wisdom from the Zen master on top of the mountain. Is this the lesson that enlightens him when he gets there? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/99 "2018-06-28T05:13:12Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You mean “more likely to deliver results derived from an interpretation of the text that matches mine.” Which is the same thing. > > Fuck you **Bricker** you sanctimonious piece of shit. [Moderating] Don’t say fuck you to other posters. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857/100 "2018-06-28T05:30:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Single-malt scotch. In that price range, maybe the Glenrothes Sherry Cask Reserve. > > Yours? We could do a bottle bet. Gin or bubbly. Let me do some research on what would work. I’m in. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-kennedy-retiring/816857.md?page=6)