# Justice Leage 3/04 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 5, 2006, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120 "2006-03-05T07:53:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/21 "2006-03-06T15:50:30Z")
Try as I might, I cannot quiet the geek in me. One questioned that wasn’t answered was, “How did Lex know how to use the Flash’s powers so well?” Lex had no learning curve. In the first minute he was beating down Green Lantern and Doctor Fate. Lex is good, but that good? Also, why are Javelins armed? No wonder General Eiling has issues with the JLU. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/22 "2006-03-06T15:53:23Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Try as I might, I cannot quiet the geek in me. One questioned that wasn’t answered was, “How did Lex know how to use the Flash’s powers so well?” Lex had no learning curve. In the first minute he was beating down Green Lantern and Doctor Fate. Lex is good, but that good? [/QUOTE] A high IQ, coupled with a brain operating at 1000X normal clock speed. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/23 "2006-03-06T16:24:38Z")
Also, Flash’s powers aren’t exactly hard to know how to use. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/24 "2006-03-06T17:04:13Z")
[QUOTE=Cliffy] Also, Flash’s powers aren’t exactly hard to know how to use. –Cliffy [/QUOTE] Yeah. You pretty much just move fast. Now if he somehow got GL’s ring or Mr. T’s spheres and started using them perfectly the first time we’ve have a problem. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/25 "2006-03-06T17:07:01Z")
Not the running fast piece, but Luthor was using all of Flash’s tricks. I know that Luthor would have studied Flash and would know all his shown abilities, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into being able to perform said-abilities near-flawlessly. Luthor would know that Flash can create the wind funnel, but how does he control it? How does he use it offensively? That said, fuzzy memory thinks that there were a few instances where Luthor didn’t use his abilities to the best of Flash’s ability, but I’ll have to rewatch the episode to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/26 "2006-03-06T18:18:01Z")
[QUOTE=Cliffy] Also, Flash’s powers aren’t exactly hard to know how to use. –Cliffy [/QUOTE] Says someone who has never worried about ending up across the country when you’re walking to the snack machine. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/27 "2006-03-06T20:21:09Z")
Yeah, I was surprised how creative Luthor was with Flash’s powers. I didn’t know about the whole ‘vibrating fingers of death’ for example. Or how he got around dealing with Zero G by just flapping his arms like a hummingbird 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/28 "2006-03-06T21:00:06Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Not the running fast piece, but Luthor was using all of Flash’s tricks. I know that Luthor would have studied Flash and would know all his shown abilities, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into being able to perform said-abilities near-flawlessly. Luthor would know that Flash can create the wind funnel, but how does he control it? How does he use it offensively? That said, fuzzy memory thinks that there were a few instances where Luthor didn’t use his abilities to the best of Flash’s ability, but I’ll have to rewatch the episode to confirm. [/QUOTE] I don’t think he did know. When he vibrated so fast he blew up the door he tried the keypad first. To me that says he was running out of time (Green Lantern and I think Red Tornado were catching up to him) and breaking the door down was a last ditch effort. He probably wasn’t sure he could do it but had to try anyways. As for controlling the powers maybe Luthor just got lucky. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/29 "2006-03-06T22:54:31Z")
Lex Luthor does not get lucky. Lex Luthor plans flawlessly and executes. When confronted with a variable, Lex Luthor alters his plan to accomodate the variable, or creates a new plan. If Flash has used the ‘blowing things up by vibrating through them’ before, Lex knows. As for the vibrating finger, that was just Lex using Flash’s known abilities much more ruthlessly than Wally ever would. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/30 "2006-03-07T07:10:25Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Lex Luthor does not get lucky. Lex Luthor plans flawlessly and executes. When confronted with a variable, Lex Luthor alters his plan to accomodate the variable, or creates a new plan. If Flash has used the ‘blowing things up by vibrating through them’ before, Lex knows. As for the vibrating finger, that was just Lex using Flash’s known abilities much more ruthlessly than Wally ever would. [/QUOTE] Huh? Ain’t that how Flash defeated Braniac? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/31 "2006-03-07T12:50:02Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Huh? Ain’t that how Flash defeated Braniac? [/QUOTE] I thought he just rapidly disassembled it. He did use the vibrating thing on doppelganger “Zoom” early in the same episode though. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/32 "2006-03-07T13:53:35Z")
Fun episode. I really wish they would do a Flash spinoff. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/33 "2006-03-07T14:49:34Z")
[QUOTE=Wolfian] I thought he just rapidly disassembled it. He did use the vibrating thing on doppelganger “Zoom” early in the same episode though. [/QUOTE] So Luthor knows. Still, he acclimated to Flash’s body too fast for me. Flash, on the other hand, seemed to need a mirror to confirm that he was in Luthor’s body. Yeah, I know, it’s only a 1/2 hour show and they have a story to tell. What can I say…I like a little realism in my superhero cartoons 🆒 . Coming attractions:Someone jumps in front of Green Arrow as he is being shot by the Emerald Eye. I think it was Brainiac 5. Can anyone confirm? My DVR doesn’t have a step function to walk me through frame by frame, so it was tough to see. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/34 "2006-03-07T19:03:20Z")
[QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] I love how it was strongly implied that… [/QUOTE] Oh, I dunno. Tala’s history suggests she’s the kind of self-hating skank that’d get an orgasm from a dial tone if it buzzed with enough authority. Maybe her raving about the “new” Luthor’s technique is simple surprise that he’d departed from his usual post-coital routine of smoking a cigarette and stubbing it out on her neck. I love the adult content, though I think they missed an opportunity when Tala was praising Lex/Flash for him to say “Well, I don’t normally go that slowly…” ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/35 "2006-03-07T22:31:32Z")
[QUOTE=Incubus] Possessed Flash: _looks in mirror_ "Well, at least I can finally see who the Flash really is. _takes mask off_ “I have no idea who this man is” :smack: [/QUOTE] That happened in the comics to Barry Allen. Heat Wave had unmasked him but had no idea who he was. He figured it out years later, but by then had given up crime. Of course, this was pre-crisis. I’m so old. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/36 "2006-03-08T17:30:31Z")
[QUOTE=Odinoneeye] That happened in the comics to Barry Allen. Heat Wave had unmasked him but had no idea who he was. He figured it out years later, but by then had given up crime. Of course, this was pre-crisis. I’m so old. [/QUOTE] I don’t know the issue you’re describing, but the unmasking event was depicted in flashback (heh) in _Flash_ #300, in which Barry Allen tries to puzzle out which of his enemies has trapped him, paying particular mind to those who know (or might know) his secret identity. Carmine Infantino did the artwork, which I remember because I always hated it. And the reference is purely from memory. And I’m not even a Flash fan. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/37 "2006-03-08T18:05:24Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Carmine Infantino did the artwork, which I remember because I always hated it. [/QUOTE] You…did not… _like_…Carmine Infantino’s artwork?! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Obviously, you are a creature of no noticable discernment. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/38 "2006-03-08T18:17:14Z")
Infantino’s early work was mighty fine. His later work… not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/39 "2006-03-08T18:24:18Z")
[QUOTE=JThunder] Infantino’s early work was mighty fine. His later work… not so much. [/QUOTE] Infantino’s 70’s Batman art was probably the very best ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120/40 "2006-03-08T18:51:12Z")
[QUOTE=Odinoneeye] That happened in the comics to Barry Allen. Heat Wave had unmasked him but had no idea who he was. He figured it out years later, but by then had given up crime. [/QUOTE] It happened at least one other time too. Barry was mind-controlled by some chippie who called him to her hotel room. He was frozen in place while she spent a couple of panels checking out his ass and totally commenting on it (!) and eventually she ordered him to remove the mask. He did, and she instantly lost interest because he looked so ordinary. “Not even an interesting scar…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-leage-3-04/347120.md?page=3)