# Justice League - 6/11/05 (US) (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911 "2005-06-12T01:19:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/21 "2005-06-12T20:14:41Z")
Great episode, loved the closing best of all. “They set you up, Clark.” \ “They?” ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/22 "2005-06-12T21:56:16Z")
FYI, this episode is being re-broadcast at 10:30 tonight. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/23 "2005-06-13T04:50:04Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > Touches I liked: > > 1. The fight. Awesomeness personified. > > 2. Captain Marvel absolutely looked and acted and sounded the part. This should be the definitive animated version of The Big Red Cheese. > > 3. I loved-- loved – how Captain Marvel called the JL meeting, put the verbal smackdown on Superman and then just quit. > > 4. It’s absolutely worth noting that was a damned good fight. > > 5. Billy Batson went to CC Beck Elementary. Nice shout out. Now: who noticed Freddy Freeman and Mary Batson in the back of the classroom? > > 6. They used the magic lightning to zap Superman. Woo-hoo! Oh, if only broadcast standards allowed blood to come out of Superman’s ears and bloodshot eyes. > > 7. I think I’ve said this before, but I’ll note this again: I swear that green glowing ring on Waller’s hand is kryptonite. If so, Luthor is a dick for keeping its side-effects a secret. > > 8. I knew Captain Marvel was tough enough to take on Supes. > > 9. Superman is a kinda dick lately. I wonder if he’s still under control of that mind device Grodd’s Secret Society of Super Villains used on the team awhile back? > > 10. Loooooooooooved the fight. I want an encore. Wasn’t Supes modeled after the Big Red Cheese? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/24 "2005-06-13T05:03:51Z")
Superman was first, remember? Other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/25 "2005-06-13T12:16:56Z")
What I don’t understand was The Atom’s ‘diagnosis’ of the machine. “It seems to be what he said it was.” So if it was a big pile of slagged lead and kryptonite, how could Superman safely stand next to it? And just what the hell is weapons-grade kryptonite? I know that the Army had a couple of missiles laced with kryptonite, but they weren’t the basis of the explosive part of the weapon. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/26 "2005-06-13T12:37:37Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > What I don’t understand was The Atom’s ‘diagnosis’ of the machine. “It seems to be what he said it was.” So if it was a big pile of slagged lead and kryptonite, how could Superman safely stand next to it? I assumed that the shielding on the Kryptonite was intact, it was just the exterior that had been mostly melted. > [@](#): > > And just what the hell is weapons-grade kryptonite? I know that the Army had a couple of missiles laced with kryptonite, but they weren’t the basis of the explosive part of the weapon. Apparently, the creative team has decided that Kryptonite is analogous to Plutonium. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/27 "2005-06-13T13:17:43Z")
The thing that annoyed me was that Superman should have sent Captain Marvel down to check out the device… just in case Lex was telling the truth. But then you wouln’t have the knock down, drag out fight. The big, Blue Boyscout was being a dick, but the Big, Red Cheese sure wasn’t showing the wisdom of Soloman, either. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/28 "2005-06-13T13:20:51Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > The thing that annoyed me was that Superman should have sent Captain Marvel down to check out the device… just in case Lex was telling the truth. In general, there were a dozen ways Superman could’ve handled things better. I think stress and fatigue are getting to him. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/29 "2005-06-13T13:24:15Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > What I don’t understand was The Atom’s ‘diagnosis’ of the machine. “It seems to be what he said it was.” So if it was a big pile of slagged lead and kryptonite, how could Superman safely stand next to it? Presumably, it had been disabled but not completely destroyed. Thus, the shielding was intact, preventing Superman from being exposed to the green K. This also meant that there was enough machinery left for the Atom to judge its original purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/30 "2005-06-13T13:28:17Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > In general, there were a dozen ways Superman could’ve handled things better. I think stress and fatigue are getting to him. True. They could have brought in the Atom to begin with and if it was a bomb Supes or Wally could have ran it into the ocean with minutes to spare. Poor guy. He needs a vacation. Then again, the [last time](http://www.superdickery.com/dick/46.html) he took a break things didn’t go so well… BTW, the hospital in Luthor’s city was called “Lena Luthor Hospital.” Is that his mother? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/31 "2005-06-13T13:29:31Z")
I like that they are showing to Supes as being less than perfect. Makes him a heck of a lot more interesting. CM really gets to Superman. Supes is used to being the top dog and CM challenges that status. (Of course, it is probably just midn control, or something…:() ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/32 "2005-06-13T13:35:51Z")
> [@Wolfian](#): > > BTW, the hospital in Luthor’s city was called “Lena Luthor Hospital.” Is that his mother? His daughter, in the comics. And an interesting reference, considering the episodes coming up… ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/33 "2005-06-13T14:47:20Z")
I agree with the Superman is a dick theory. This, and future episodes, puts his exchange with Batman at the end of _The Doomsday Sanction_ into perspective doesn’t it? Also, I think that Batman will be central to how this whole thing plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/34 "2005-06-13T15:41:29Z")
> [@Wolfian](#): > > BTW, the hospital in Luthor’s city was called “Lena Luthor Hospital.” Is that his mother? Correction: Lena is his sister’s name. Note–in the comics, it is hinted that Luthor killed his Mother, Father & Sister. Further: Pre-Crisis, Lena Luthor was a metahuman, with extrasenory powers. Including telepathy & a limited precog ability. I wonder if all 3 graves are actually filled… ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/35 "2005-06-13T15:50:35Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Correction: Lena is his sister’s name. I don’t remember any references to Luthor’s sister, but I do remember the infant child produced by the union of Lex and the Contessa… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/36 "2005-06-13T15:57:57Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I don’t remember any references to Luthor’s sister, but I do remember the infant child produced by the union of Lex and the Contessa… Yes, but he seems to have named it after his sister. Also, check the comics around 2000-2001. You’ll see him kneeling by the graveside, putting on a show of false sorrow for the TV cameras. 3 graves. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/37 "2005-06-13T16:07:44Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Yes, but he seems to have named it after his sister. > > Also, check the comics around 2000-2001. > You’ll see him kneeling by the graveside, putting on a show of false sorrow for the TV cameras. 3 graves. Interesting. I’ll have to look it up when I get my Superman comics up to the new place… ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/38 "2005-06-13T20:39:07Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > My DVR cut off just as Luthor was handing the glass to the shadowy figure. Can anyone catch me up? (I take it the figure was the Wall). > > Good episode. I think Supes was acting jealous. > > I also LOVED Billy Batson’s eyes! My DVR did the same thing, but it cut off the very second Amanda Waller was revealed. Assuming \*\*Big Bad Voodoo Lou \*\* is funnin’ with us (because otherwise, ew), did anything else happen? Any more dialogue? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/39 "2005-06-13T21:33:56Z")
“We don’t endorse presidential candidates. We don’t do deoderant commercials…” \ Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/40 "2005-06-13T21:42:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > \ I loved that as well. This show is amongst the best a keeping up with continuity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911.md?page=3)