# Justice League - 6/11/05 (US) (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911 "2005-06-12T01:19:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/41 "2005-06-14T00:16:27Z")
I didn’t really like this one that much. I mean the whole Superman and Captain Marvel slugfest has been done to death and this was quite possibly the most contrived version of it I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/42 "2005-06-14T00:39:54Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Apparently, the creative team has decided that Kryptonite is analogous to Plutonium. Then why did Luthor steal \*\*weapons-\*\*grade Kryptonite to make an energy reactor? Shouldn’t he have stolen \*\*reactor-\*\*grade Kryptonite? And for that matter, shouldn’t Supes have thrown the recent **theft** of the **only** quantity of Kryptonite capable of doing what Luthor said it was going to do right back in Luthor’s face? “The only two places in the world that have that much stockpiled special-K are Star Labs and my Fortress of Solitude, neither of which has any record of any recent Kryptonite sales.” ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/43 "2005-06-14T01:04:32Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > My DVR did the same thing, but it cut off the very second Amanda Waller was revealed. Assuming \*\*Big Bad Voodoo Lou \*\* is funnin’ with us (because otherwise, ew), did anything else happen? Any more dialogue? I got to watch the last few seconds when my DVR picked up a Sunday rebroadcast. We didn’t miss much. Just that Luther and Waller’s plan went better than expected and that they were in it together. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/44 "2005-06-14T01:28:36Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Then why did Luthor steal \*\*weapons-\*\*grade Kryptonite to make an energy reactor? Shouldn’t he have stolen \*\*reactor-\*\*grade Kryptonite? To throw Supes off. Besides, who said that it ran on weapons grade K? Besides, maybe Lex has his own store of the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/45 "2005-06-14T13:16:00Z")
> [@ouryL](#): > > Wasn’t Supes modeled after the Big Red Cheese? Superman first appeared in National Comics’ Action Comics #1, cover dated June 1938. Captain Marvel first appeared in Fawcett Comics’ Whiz Comics #2, February, 1940. Well, he really first appeared in some ashcans Fawcett published in very limited quantities to secure trademark protection, but that was only a couple months earlier at best. National sued Fawcett over their similarities. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/46 "2005-06-14T17:11:56Z")
And won, which is why DC’s been playing with Cap since the 70s, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/47 "2005-06-14T17:36:13Z")
By that time Marvel had its’ own Captain Marvel, so DC had to call their Captain Marvel book “The Power of SHAZAM!” CM never regained the popularity that he once had. In the Golden Age he routinely out-sold Superman. This is like a story writing thread, only its’ history instead of fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/48 "2005-06-14T17:57:57Z")
Given where Captain Marvel gets his powers from, shouldn’t he and Diana at least know each other in passing? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/49 "2005-06-14T18:11:23Z")
Nah…Diana gets hers directly…Cap’s are by proxy via Shazam. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/50 "2005-06-14T18:19:49Z")
Cap’s powers may be by proxy, but he’s Superman-level strength and invulnerability. That’s greater than Diana. The wisdom of Solomon, however, is vastly overrated; Diana smarter than Cap and Supes combined. Second favorite exchanges was Batman calling Captain Marvel a boyscout and Superman taking umbrage. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/51 "2005-06-15T14:08:24Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > And won, which is why DC’s been playing with Cap since the 70s, at least. It settled, actually, with Fawcett promising to never publish the Big Red Chesse again. Fawcett sold all its stuff to Charlton. DC began leasing the Marvel Family from Charlton in the '70’s and then bought them outright (with most all of the rest of Charlton’s characters) in the early '80’s. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/52 "2005-06-15T14:12:03Z")
That’s the first I’ve ever heard of Fawcett selling to Charlton, rather than directly to National/DC. As far as I know (as a bit of a Charlton fan who has done some research into their publishing history), Charlton was never involved. Not trying to be combative, but do you have a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/53 "2005-06-15T17:09:57Z")
[Interesting analysis of the episode over on Websnark.](http://www.websnark.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911/54 "2005-06-27T21:53:52Z")
**Miller.** I know this comes some 12 days late, but thank you for that link. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-6-11-05-us-open-spoilers/307911.md?page=2)