# Justice League Unlimited 9/17/2005 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282 "2005-09-19T00:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/21 "2005-09-19T16:40:22Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Well, after getting sucked into the Speed Force last season, he was afraid of moving too fast. > > šŸ˜ƒ Booooooooo! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/22 "2005-09-19T17:36:19Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > - There is a cliche in superhero storytelling: the convenient failure to use superspeed. Couldnā€™t Flash have removed the gun from Lexā€™s hand and saved the Blackhawk? I was thinking the same thing. My thoughts were that Flash knew that he was dealing with Lex Luthor, a brilliant mastermind who repeated thwarted Superman. Flash was probably second-guessing himself, thinking that it just couldnā€™t be _that_ easy. Give me a break, Iā€™m trying to make sense of a cartoon based on comic books. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/23 "2005-09-20T22:12:21Z")
Theyā€™re taunting me. Simply TAUNTING me. Fire and Ice there, Bea getting to be one of the stars of the episodeā€¦and they donā€™t even give Tora a line?!? This keeps up, someoneā€™s getting a grumpy letter. ā€˜I hear sheā€™sā€¦Brazilianā€™ was simply brilliant. Especially the look on Flashā€™s face. > [@middleman](#): > > I donā€™t mean to come off as a prude, but I really disliked the bawdy moment between Hawkgirl and Carter Hall. You had a problem with that, but not Flash staring at Beaā€™s tits? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/24 "2005-09-21T00:14:41Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > You had a problem with that, but not Flash staring at Beaā€™s tits? I didnā€™t catch that one. Quite possibly I was distracted by her tits. [sub]It is hard at times to reconcile Daddymiddleman from RedBloodedAmericanMaleMiddleman![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@MonkeyMule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMule)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/25 "2005-09-21T00:36:20Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Well, after getting sucked into the Speed Force last season, he was afraid of moving too fast. > > šŸ˜ƒ Well if you read the terminal velocity trade paperback, thats what really happened to Wally when he first came back fromt he speed force. It was calling him back and he was losing it. Only thing that saved him was linda, and since Wallyā€™s in his hound dog phase in the DCAU there is no Linda to pull his bacon out of the fire so to speak. So yeah, being afraid of going to fast is a probibile real fear for Mr. West. just fyi ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/26 "2005-09-21T00:52:19Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > Thereā€™s some specualtion that [the Spear of Longinus] gave the killing blow. And some speculation that it was fabricated in the 7th century A.D., and at best contains an authentic Roman crucifixion nail as an ornament. ---
**Author:** ![ZeroGyro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47774/32.png) [@ZeroGyro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZeroGyro)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/27 "2005-09-21T01:53:35Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > - I donā€™t mean to come off as a prude, but I really disliked the bawdy moment between Hawkgirl and Carter Hall. > > ā€œI miss the dress.ā€ > ā€œYou didnā€™t miss it last night!ā€ > (Camera follows his line of sight to a close up of Hawkgirlā€™s ass) > > Now I have no problem seeing Hawkgirlā€™s animated ass. Hell, I am in a 12 step program to help me get over my Lois Griffin (FG)/Amy Wong (Futurama) three way fantasy. > > But this show shouldnā€™t have adult situations in it. My kid loves that show. Why canā€™t Superman and Pals be a family friendly show? That was just inappropriate. I LOVED this scene _because_ it was so inappropriate! I laughed out loud. It was so blatant that I donā€™t think anyone whoā€™s gone through puberty and was paying attention could miss it. I do think, though, it would fly over the heads of kids. They usually just donā€™t process comments/moments like that. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/28 "2005-09-21T13:13:03Z")
> [@MonkeyMule](#): > > Well if you read the terminal velocity trade paperback, thats what really happened to Wally when he first came back fromt he speed force. It was calling him back and he was losing it. Only thing that saved him was linda, and since Wallyā€™s in his hound dog phase in the DCAU there is no Linda to pull his bacon out of the fire so to speak. So yeah, being afraid of going to fast is a probibile real fear for Mr. West. > > just fyi Believe me, Iā€™m well aware - having collected almost the entire current series of Flashā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/29 "2005-09-22T16:48:39Z")
I finally saw these. A few more observations: ā€¦ in ā€œLegionā€ ā€“ the updated Legion is never precidely names except as a protection agency under Groddā€™s control/direction. Freezing the screen, one can see Dr. Destiny, Kanjar Jo, the Gentleman Ghost, Heat Wave, Major Force, Mirror Master, Silver Banshee, Star Sapphire, Cheetah, Giganta, Sinestro, Blockbuster, KGBeast, the Clock King, Livewire, Bizarro, Metallo, the Parasite, Black Mass, the Atomic Skull, Thorn, the Thinker, Killer Frost, Sonar, Major Disaster, the Weather Wizard, Rampage and the Toyman. The silhouette of the giant robot that attacked Luthor, the Key and Dr. Polaris is almost certainly meant to resemble the Iron Giant. Among the Blackhawk Islandā€™s defenses were robot flying fish, robot flying hammerhead sharks, a giant robot roc and a much smaller Warwheel. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/30 "2005-09-22T17:00:56Z")
I wanna know how Kanjar Ro got there? Also, what exactly does Luthor bring to the table? Heā€™s penniless, half-nutty and arrogant. Also, did Dr. Polaris really look like that at one point? And Iā€™m slightly disappointed that light guy from S:TAS didnā€™t make it. Ooo, and maybe theyā€™ll bring back the Promethium giant! ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/31 "2005-09-22T17:26:14Z")
> [@Sam Hell](#): > > Also, what exactly does Luthor bring to the table? Heā€™s penniless, half-nutty and arrogant. Is he broke? At the very least he is still a pretty smart guy. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/32 "2005-09-22T17:29:37Z")
Yeah, but there are plenty other smart guys who arenā€™t talking to an invisible friend. I suppose it falls under ā€œIā€™d better keep you where I can watch you.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/33 "2005-09-22T17:32:25Z")
The one thing that gets me about Luthor is how good he looks. Considering what he was like with Brainiac messing him up. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/34 "2005-09-22T17:46:03Z")
> [@Sam Hell](#): > > Also, what exactly does Luthor bring to the table? Heā€™s penniless, half-nutty and arrogant. Grodd said something to the effect that, ā€œYouā€™re too big a player to ever really quit,ā€ and then dangled that last surviving shard of Brainiac in front of Luthor as a carrot. Iā€™m sure heā€™s hoping he can get Luthor to jump through some hoops. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/35 "2005-09-22T17:55:23Z")
Yes, he WAS a big player, but what does he have now? Heā€™s not at 100% and heā€™s being influenced by Brainiac. Grodd has a hold on him that I doubt he does on anyone else. I just donā€™t see his value. Interesting that the Ultra-Humanite wasnā€™t there, but I can see him and Grodd butting heads immediatly. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/36 "2005-09-22T18:04:40Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > Is he broke? Thereā€™s no reason he should be. Last we saw him, he was still in charge of LexCorp, and, while he was probably forced to spend a small fortune on damage repairs, that wouldnā€™t be too much for someone like Luthor. Heā€™s also still one of the most brilliant scientific and tactical minds on the planet - certainly among those working on the dark side. And do you think thereā€™s anyone in that room - up to and including Grodd himself - whoā€™s not also half-nutty and arrogant? They donā€™t all talk to disembodied cybernetic organisms, but they all have their monomanias, crackpot ideas, and psychoses. Comes with the territory. Look at who Grodd sent to recover and watch him - The Key, for the godsā€™ sakes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/37 "2005-09-22T18:08:04Z")
> [@Sam Hell](#): > > Also, what exactly does Luthor bring to the table? Heā€™s penniless, half-nutty and arrogant. Heā€™s a genius, and Luthor probably has hidden funds and equipment caches here and there. And if Grodd refused membership to all but non-nutty, non-arrogant supervillains, heā€™d have a very _small_ group indeed. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/38 "2005-09-22T18:19:07Z")
Granted, I donā€™t think the Key here is as nutty as he later became, but youā€™re right. I assumed that the government, led by Ms. Waller, would have closed down any money Luthor could access, but Iā€™m sure he made plans for that in advance, even though his public name may have been smeared. Iā€™ll accept that he still could be a big player. I notice no one else has commented on who the new liaison (sp?) to the JLU is: King Faraday! Nice mention of a fairly obscure character. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/39 "2005-09-22T18:25:33Z")
Iā€™m almost sure Faradayā€™s been resurrected on JLU because of his recent and fairly terrific appearance in Darwyn Cookeā€™s DC: The New Frontier mini-series ā€“ although he should be a bit older. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282/40 "2005-09-22T18:44:26Z")
King Faraday also appeared in Solo #5, the all-Darwyn Cooke issue, which came out a month or two back. Iā€™m so pissed I never found a copy at any of my local comic shops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-league-unlimited-9-17-2005/322282.md?page=3)