# Justice Thomas wife and the Presidential election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 25, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666 "2022-03-25T02:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/21 "2022-03-25T16:54:15Z")
Thanks, Kenobi. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/22 "2022-03-25T18:00:03Z")
Here’s a non-paywalled link to the article -because I can do that! > **[Ginni Thomas Pressed Trump’s Chief of Staff to Overturn 2020 Vote, Texts Show](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/us/politics/ginni-thomas-trump-mark-meadows.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DODmweiPkORJCH_0bRZKF4INQy2TKaAcNBN7omX7lu1PJaJwloQhOr556JkZgCPD5zqZ62Wil--aPxao0C0G2gaHileqA4zaejvhmCPX_uXKLe0SZwJRJgoZBlaV362HAXlabHR_olj9V82_YgB596RzwQdWLd6amTfhZ0MNuCaRzf4hBnGL0KHGGOwqPPru4IYw5QClnZTXlg4mpa6N1UPN8fPqqXPAd3MYOlwu1XUjo0Wd_vU54hRIHUlKFotKrNrHGPzsmxw_Y3EMZErULt3k_LQl2K1q0HOwVoO5c&smid=url-share)** > > Messages between Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife and Mark Meadows are the first evidence that she directly advised the White House to reverse the election results. And I’ll throw in a non-paywalled link to a longer piece on the Thomas’s from last month. > **[The Long Crusade of Clarence and Ginni Thomas](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/magazine/clarence-thomas-ginni-thomas.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DPDmwYiOEcDIGS-kHAIqFnbsE-2T-WAcNBN7omX7l9z-lZPglxSw6tq4DCmIgAJ299j7OPaV4M_sCHW6Eko3itZ3OlKex7yfru5E6MamPqXriM1SIjOAozqcR6fFyq3GgKkqvGQeRy2NZ6j_8xF9stE2d7ESqAt_fsDBh9MMzXLU2Pr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQ9NCl6gTH135Wc06t40K8pAde-kbEZmIJyi9O1XXm94L46pBIkzQpzUkthpt73KoB-Nzamm1nMW9jgQtdRZWH4v3yMcdyE&smid=url-share)** > > The Supreme Court justice and his wife battled for years for a more conservative America. New reporting shows how far she was willing to go after Donald Trump’s 2020 election loss. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/23 "2022-03-25T18:12:21Z")
Thanks, Ann\_Hedonia! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/24 "2022-03-25T18:18:37Z")
From those texts, it’s pretty clear that Ginni Thomas is a deluded lunatic, whatever the effect is on the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/25 "2022-03-25T18:27:46Z")
From the article, “Demand that they not abandon their Constitutional responsibilities during a time such as this.” Their Constitutional responsibility is to certify electoral votes and make the legitimate winner President. Is she too dumb to realize that, or does she want to overthrow the duly elected government? ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/26 "2022-03-25T18:37:55Z")
C’mon people - she was under the influence of QAnon back then, but she will shortly make a statement that her views have evolved and she will now disavow the Big Lie and acknowledge the fact that Brandon won. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/27 "2022-03-25T18:40:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Is she too dumb to realize that, or does she want to overthrow the duly elected government? She’s not dumb, so I’ll go with the second part. Or, she could be really deluded about the election. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/28 "2022-03-26T21:09:19Z")
Here’s the WaPO story on the scandal (non-paywalled link) > **[Virginia Thomas urged White House chief to pursue unrelenting efforts to...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/24/virginia-thomas-mark-meadows-texts/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjQ1Njg4NzciLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjQ4MzI4NjY2LCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjQ5NTM4MjY2LCJpYXQiOjE2NDgzMjg2NjYsImp0aSI6IjdlYWFmYmFlLTEyMmItNDMyMy1iOWU1LTQzMjAzZGJjZjg5MyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIyLzAzLzI0L3ZpcmdpbmlhLXRob21hcy1tYXJrLW1lYWRvd3MtdGV4dHMvIn0.9RhxmtHF6W96K2ODi4jUyDcJ2vS4ymD1pc_i9YfKifY&itid=gfta)** It has a some details I haven’t seen yet, when Rudy was giving his unhinged press conference and hair dye was running down his face, she texted Meadows “Tears are flowing at what Rudy is doing right now”. She did not say what color the tears were. I remember tears flowing from me during that press conference as well, that’s how hard I was laughing, ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/29 "2022-03-26T22:27:03Z")
[Audio of Ginni drunk-dialing Anita Hill in 2010](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gj-nbDyMWo) ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/30 "2022-03-27T03:10:16Z")
Those NYTimes articles demonstrate that “Ginni” is a crusader, and the common bond she has with Clarence is that they both see themselves as victims - he, of the “high-tech lynching,” and she, of the leftward drift of the country. Her mom was a right-wing activist. If Clarence had any integrity he would have declined the nom after Anita Hill came forward, or even a few years after his appointment after his penchant for falling asleep during arguments, never asking questions, and rarely if ever authoring opinions even though he is the senior associate justice. For Ginni, as **carnivorousplant** stated, she’s a true believer and she believes a right-wing government is right, necessary, so anything that leads to that end is appropriate. “The end justifies the means.” I hope there’s a new litmus test at the next SCOTUS nomination: “Do you feel it’s appropriate for a spouse of a justice to be active in political matters that the court may need to opine on?” At any rate, I guess the best we can hope for Clarence Thomas to be synonymous with “unethical grifter.” But I suspect he’s beyond shame, he believes he deserves this appointment after all he has been through. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/31 "2022-03-27T03:48:47Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Neatly dodging the fact that it’s been ‘compromised’ by politics for years. Mostly by Republicans. SCOTUS has been compromised by politics since Day 1. Sometimes that didn’t seem to matter, but it gave us such decisions as Dred Scott, _Plessy vs Ferguson_, and Citizens United. > [@](#): > > I think we are about to enter a period of judicial activism like we’ve never seen before. Would not be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/32 "2022-03-27T03:58:29Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > At any rate, I guess the best we can hope for Clarence Thomas to be synonymous with “unethical grifter.” But I suspect he’s beyond shame, he believes he deserves this appointment after all he has been through. 🙄 Unless I’m mistaken, he was one of the very few survivors of the Bowling Green Massacre. /s ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/33 "2022-03-29T23:32:15Z")
It would be strange for the Supreme Court but, traditionally in DC, when someone is breaking the law, acting unethically, etc., a co-worker will leak information to the press that can serve as cause for an investigation. While I admit that it’s relatively unlikely that Roberts will give Thomas “the talk” - as I recommended above - with the House starting to talk about impeachment, I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas has written some things over the years that indicate a supreme lack of devoutness to judicial impartiality. Nutballs tend to be fairly open about their nuttery in the presence of others who they think are on their side. Someone is liable to recall those statements and hand them over to the press. It will be interesting, it it comes. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/34 "2022-03-30T00:30:10Z")
That audio recording of the message that Ginni left on Anita Hill’s voicemail - asking Hill to apologize- is truly disturbing. It’s recorded at like 7:30 in the morning, and her words are slow and measured - intoxicated?! On drugs?? Although, in light of recent disclosures, perhaps she’s just a real dumb person. Kind of like how Clarence Thomas is the laziest Justice on the high court. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/35 "2022-03-30T01:55:35Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > That audio recording of the message that Ginni left on Anita Hill’s voicemail IF it is real. Do we know who released it to the press, and where they obtained it? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/36 "2022-03-30T01:58:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > IF it is real. Credible reporting says that Ms. Thomas herself confirmed it’s authenticity. > [@](#): > > Virginia Thomas has confirmed through a spokesman that on Oct. 9, she left a voice-mail message at Hill’s Brandeis University office. News organizations, including _The New York Times_ and ABC, have reported that they heard the recording, which said: “Good morning, Anita Hill. Its Ginni Thomas. I just wanted to reach across the airwaves and the years and ask you to consider something. I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband. So give it some thought and certainly pray on this, and hope that one day you will help us understand why you did what you did. OK, have a good day.” She’s truly special, isn’t she? > **[Justice Thomas' Wife Asks Anita Hill To Apologize](https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130688438)** > > In a truth-is-stranger-than-fiction twist, Ginni Thomas left a voice-mail message earlier this month for Anita Hill, who in 1991 accused then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment. His confirmation hearing spawned a national... ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/37 "2022-03-30T02:06:09Z")
Jesus Christ. I thought this was Democratic Tomfoolery. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/38 "2022-03-30T15:20:38Z")
Apparently she wasn’t impressed by her body language. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/39 "2022-03-30T15:41:23Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > she wasn’t impressed by her body language. What’s most sad about the Anita Hill accusations is the corroboration that was never aired publicly. Thomas really was a demeaning bully towards women. > [@](#): > > Another woman, Angela Wright, also claimed that Thomas had allegedly said inappropriate things to her while the two worked together at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission… I knew that Clarence Thomas was capable [of what he stood accused of] because he had made similar remarks to me and in my presence about my body and other women’s bodies, and he did – he was very egotistical, and he did pressure me to date him, and he did drop by the house when unannounced. > [@](#): > > One person who is unsurprised by the allegations brought by Hill and Wright is Lillian McEwen, who was in a relationship with Thomas at the time when his alleged harassment of Hill is said to have occurred. Though McEwen never claimed that Thomas had been inappropriate toward her, she has alleged that Thomas would often talk about the women he worked with. “He was always actively watching the women he worked with to see if they could be potential partners. It was a hobby of his,” McEwen claimed in an interview with Michael A. Fletcher of _The Washington Post_ in a 2010. > [@](#): > > [Sukari] Hardnett worked as Thomas’s special assistant at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 1985 and 1986, and according to the Wall Street Journal, she gave the Senate the following statement during Hill’s hearings: > “Clarence Thomas pretends that his only behavior toward those who worked as his special assistants was as a father to children and a mentor to proteges. That simply isn’t true. If you were young, black, female and reasonably attractive, you knew full well you were being inspected and auditioned as a female … Women know when there are sexual dimensions to the attention they are receiving. And there was never any doubt about that dimension in Clarence Thomas’s office." > **[Did Other Women Accuse Clarence Thomas After Anita Hill's Testimony? Hill Was...](https://www.bustle.com/articles/154816-did-other-women-accuse-clarence-thomas-after-anita-hills-testimony-hill-was-not-the-justices-only)** > > If you grew up in the '90s, you may recall the name "Anita Hill" being bandied about in the news in the early part of the decade. Hill became known for accusing then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas of alleged sexual harassment during his… ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666/40 "2022-04-04T14:26:57Z")
I can see Ginni and trump doing that mirror act in the doorway that Lucy and Harpo used to do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justice-thomas-wife-and-the-presidential-election/961666.md?page=3)