Justification for using pirated software

Tell 'em I love the software! I’ve been using it now ever since… well, since before it became “Max”. :slight_smile:

Most companies I’ve worked for (and I’m assuming all function this way) install the software on the work computers, and there’s no way to take it home to work on it. While artists love to play with the software and learn new things about it, very few will want to hang around work more than they absolutely have to.

Most beginning artists I know started at around $20k/year, maybe a bit higher. Thirty-five hundred bucks is a HUGE chunk of that.

I know there was some sort of “subscription” service you could buy… but as I recall, it would only get you one or two of the updates.

I’m very surprised that Discreet doesn’t encourage more individuals to buy legal copies by making it really cheap- more users who are knowledgeable about the program is good, right? It would mean more companies who use it.

One company I worked for used pirated versions of Max exclusively. Man, I hated working there- I almost got fired for complaining about having to use cracked, and therefore buggy and non-supported, software.

Sure, the problem comes when people who could/would have paid for software pirate it. But if some 18 year old Russian guy is using a pirated copy of Maya, is that a problem? I mean it’s not as though he could ever pay for a legitimate copy, so whomever makes Maya is not seeing any loss in revenue.

Pirated software IS NOT stealing, nor is it child rape, nor is it running a red light. It is it’s own entity.

SO to the OP, yes theft is theft is theft, but pirated software is pirated software is pirated software, and child rape is child rape is child rape…

Except that someone who can afford Maya finds out that poor Igor didn’t have to pay for it and therefore, he shouldn’t have to pay for it either. Not everyone who grabs that ‘free’ version is a struggling artist who ‘needs’ it to better him- or herself.

No, some are consumers who want to try an expensive piece of software before buying it, to see if it works with their system and meets their particular needs. Others are people who own a legitimate copy of the software, but prefer to use a cracked pirated version for backups and restores because it is much easier (no grovelling to the vendor to please allow another activation even thought it is a right which was purchased) and saves them time (which is their money).

Well, saying that now is just moving the goalposts, because earlier you said:

Don’t get all shirty just because we answered your sodding question.

If you need it (highly dubious use of the term ‘need’, but whatever), then you also need to pay for it. If you can’t afford to pay for something you need, then… <shrug> well, life’s just like that sometimes - still doesn’t mean it’s OK to take it without paying. The universe doesn’t owe you the right to just have everything because you say you need it.

That’s a pretty weak argument. People in Europe don’t pay for health care but it’s not as though we have a rash of people saying “Screw this, they don’t pay for health care in Sweden so why should I pay this bill?”

OK, I agree ,your “goalpost” comment is fair , but why on earth would you call my question “sodding” ?
It wasn’t my intention to trick anyone, just an honest frustration with the situation, and ,yes, I know that life is unfair…

This is still a straw man. Many companies sell localized versions of their software at a discount in Russia and other countries. In China, I can buy tons of LEGAL disney VCD’s for $2, but these are licensed only for use in China.

Can you buy Vista for $2?

Putting aside the question of why the OP wants to run Windows at all ;), I have to ask what’s wrong with just sticking with the current version he’s got? I mean, it’s not as if you’re required to upgrade to Vista; one could just trudge along with Windows 2000/XP for another few years.

Just because the companies put out shinier new toys all the time doesn’t mean you have to have them.

Sorry, sodding was just my way of expressing honest frustration.

Well, I am not a totally honest person but I do wonder. We are so distraught at the antics of the young. Where did they learn that stealing was ok?

Think it might be when they heard good old dad bragging about he put to Billy G?

Your ability to Intellectualize allows you to Rationalize
which will get you Institutionalized!

No, but when a co-worker or boss brags about getting free cable, watch how many others try to find out how they can do it also.

Presumably, if you absolutely need to use a particular application that runs only on Windows, for which there exists no alternative on a free operating system, you’re paying for that. Why not pay for the OS?

Thanks to everyone for your replies.
But we are far of topic now.

Let me repeat … my question wasn’t about Windows (it was just an example).
The idea was to highlight the disparity between universal price on soft/books/music/
and the economic realities in different countries, which is one of the reasons people pirate things.

OK, but honestly, what did you actually expect us to say?

**Mangetout ** see post #40 on this thread

OK, yes, I remember that.

So what’s the solution? Sell Windows dirt cheap elsewhere? The market here will be flooded with grey imports.

I’m still not sure what the actual problem is… Is it:

-That people can’t afford an operating system, and will suffer some terrible fate without one, or just have to sit twiddling their thumbs?

or

-That people will be compelled to pirate copy, and this is bad for the manufacturers?

or

-That people will be compelled to pirate copy, and this exposes them to prosecution?

What? What is the problem? How can it be solved without resorting to draconian anti-competitive legislation?

I’m still not sure what the actual problem is
how about :
the problem is “the lack of acknowledgment that there is a problem”
nobody seems to see anything wrong/unfair with the current state of affairs.
Now ,what’s the solution ? I do not know.
Perhaps in indexing the price of software ( or another intellectual property) in different countries according to PPP or the Mac Index and then ENFORCE compliance,
but that’s a topic on it’s own.