# Justified 03/05 "The Hatchet Tour" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163 "2013-03-06T06:02:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/21 "2013-03-07T13:22:03Z")
Winona wasn’t pregnant at the time. Raylan wants the promotion to make money he can give to W to help support the new baby - he got the money he was saving by doing bounty skip-traces stolen by the floozy bartender. He also wants to be someone his kid can look up to. Both of these were discussed early in the season. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/22 "2013-03-07T17:23:09Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Gotta hand it to Boyd, more or less inviting Colt to kill him. > > > [@What\_the](#): > > > > How’s that? The gun wasn’t loaded. Wasn’t Colt pointing his own gun (the 45) at the back of Boyd’s head? Then Boyd put it in a drawer and pointed his 9mm at Colt. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/23 "2013-03-07T17:45:50Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > Wasn’t Colt pointing his own gun (the 45) at the back of Boyd’s head? Then Boyd put it in a drawer and pointed his 9mm at Colt. You’ve got that backwards. It was Boyd’s gun that he gave to Colt to point at his head. I’m still trying to figure out why everyone would rather die than reveal who Drew Thompson was. How much of a bad ass is he exactly? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/24 "2013-03-07T18:01:55Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > You’ve got that backwards. It was Boyd’s gun that he gave to Colt to point at his head. > > I’m still trying to figure out why everyone would rather die than reveal who Drew Thompson was. How much of a bad ass is he exactly? I think nobody knew, cept Hunter who owed him a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/25 "2013-03-07T18:03:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think nobody knew, cept Hunter who owed him a lot. Well Arlo sure knew something about it. I guess he was more scared of Theo Tonin, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![EMCEE\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@EMCEE\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EMCEE_98)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/26 "2013-03-07T18:21:56Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > The reveal on Drew was about as close to falling flat as anything in recent memory. If the writers don’t scour the comments on the internet (including ours) and then react by going in some opposite direction, then they’re among the most inspired people in TV show development working today. It’s like, “Sure you figured it out from the 763 clues we’ve been dropping since Episode One. Now what do you think of this one, Burt?” > > In spite of the minor disappointment that it wasn’t somebody else (I really enjoy Jim Beaver’s work) I can live with where the show is headed, even though I have no major clue at this point. Something is still funny about why Ellen May and Colton are still with us. And I’m pleased with the little arc that Gutterson is getting in recent episodes. > > But I swear that I haven’t laughed as hard or as long as I did when Bob pulled out that assault weapon and cut loose on those guys on the porch. I had to pause the show I was laughing so hard. > > Man, I love this show! Haven’t been able to say that since _Terriers_! Damn, why did you have to bring up _Terriers_? Best single season show ever. Makes me sad. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/27 "2013-03-07T18:51:48Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I’m still trying to figure out why everyone would rather die than reveal who Drew Thompson was. How much of a bad ass is he exactly? Harlan County folks - because they owed Drew for stuff he did during an old feud (added motivation to Boyd, who is trying to get in good with the Detroit drug dealers) Theo Tonin / Detroit drug kingpins - to get revenge for Drew shooting him in the eye Marshalls - to get the to the bottom of the outstanding missing drugs and missing person (added motivation for Raylan to earn a promotion to make more money for his soon-to-be baby) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/28 "2013-03-07T18:59:15Z")
Everything WordMan says + the fact that in Ky - this whole story is one of the bigger conspiracies we’ve had - so, for KY folks, this means alot more than the average person. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/29 "2013-03-07T20:12:31Z")
Got it - thanks ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/30 "2013-03-07T22:21:30Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Everything WordMan says + the fact that in Ky - this whole story is one of the bigger conspiracies we’ve had - so, for KY folks, this means alot more than the average person. Wait, wut? You’re not implying that this season’s plot is based on a true story, are you? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/31 "2013-03-07T22:38:46Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Wait, wut? You’re not implying that this season’s plot is based on a true story, are you? 😕 Certainly am - [news link here](http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/09/2469628/justified-draws-inspiration-from.html) (which was not there the time I reported this in the first thread for the season) - Andrew Thornton (aka “Drew Thompson”) - [Andrew C. Thornton II - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Thornton_II) and the ‘[Bluegrass Conspiracy](http://www.amazon.com/Bluegrass-Conspiracy-Inside-Story-Murder/dp/0595196667)’ [QUOTE=blurb about book linked above] When Kentucky Blueblood Drew Thornton parachuted to his death in September 1985 carrying thousands in cash and 150 pounds of cocainethe gruesome end of his startling life blew open a scandal that reached to the most secret circles of the U.S. government. The story of Thornton and The Company he served, and the lone heroic fight of State Policeman Ralph Ross against an international web of corruption is one of the most portentous tales of the 20th century. [/QUOTE] I remember when this story first broke - ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/32 "2013-03-07T22:54:23Z")
Whose house did the fake Drew Thompson land in front of in the flashback scene that started this season? I got the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that it was Arlo’s house and that was Arlo who came out of the house to find the body (and the cocaine). ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/33 "2013-03-07T23:04:42Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Whose house did the fake Drew Thompson land in front of in the flashback scene that started this season? I got the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that it was Arlo’s house and that was Arlo who came out of the house to find the body (and the cocaine). No. I just rewatched that, and it was a random guy in a regular suburban neighborhood. The guy’s wife was nagging him to take down the Christmas lights. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/34 "2013-03-07T23:41:09Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I like Boyd. Apart from drug dealer thing, what did I miss in the first three seasons to make me it so I should hate him? He was very menacing toward Ava… I guess that’s not such a good reason any more. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/35 "2013-03-07T23:52:12Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Though I think that there is a big gotcha coming - I think that the reveal is going to be that Shelby is (or at least cannot be ruled out as) Raylen’s father. Raylen’s mom liked her fellas, it explains the Arlo/Raylen relationship, it explains why Arlo held onto the Peterson bag for so long. > > I’d be disappointed if the writers did this. This episode did have a gotcha featuring Arlo and Raylan: Raylan heard something good about Arlo, that Arlo defended his wife’s honor. Arlo, being an asshole, was probably defending his own honor. And if Shelby is anybody’s dad, I’d vote for Ellen May, whom he seems very protective of, or Mosley, whom he not only seems to have great affection for, but who has a strong resemblance to him. What I don’t get is, with so many people trying to find him, why did he run for public office? If you’re trying to avoid criminals and marshals, it seems like running for sheriff would be the last thing you’d want to do. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/36 "2013-03-08T00:16:33Z")
Like he told Ellen Mae, you pretend to be something long enough you eventually stop pretending. He’s been home free for 30 years, when he ran for Sheriff there was absolutely no sign that anyone even knew he was alive. ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/37 "2013-03-08T15:05:22Z")
Also, IIRC, he wasn’t actually looking for the job of sheriff – Boyd kind of strongarmed him to run for it. It may have brought more light on him if he refused. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/38 "2013-03-08T16:18:13Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Certainly am - [news link here](http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/09/2469628/justified-draws-inspiration-from.html) (which was not there the time I reported this in the first thread for the season) - > > Andrew Thornton (aka “Drew Thompson”) - [Andrew C. Thornton II - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Thornton_II) > > and the ‘[Bluegrass Conspiracy](http://www.amazon.com/Bluegrass-Conspiracy-Inside-Story-Murder/dp/0595196667)’ > > I remember when this story first broke - Wow - no clue. Thanks for fighting my ignorance! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/39 "2013-03-08T16:59:14Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I like Boyd. Apart from drug dealer thing, what did I miss in the first three seasons to make me it so I should hate him? Your question prompted me to watch the show again, from the beginning. And thank you for that, because it’s damn fine TV. In the pilot, Boyd used a rocket launcher to blow up a church. The church was a front for a dope operation (pot). Boyd didn’t bother to check that anyone was in the building. He yelled “Fire in the hole!” and without waiting for people who were nearby to get out of the way, he fired. Boyd then shot his accomplice in the back of the head after accusing him of being a snitch. He’s not a nice man. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163/40 "2013-03-08T22:19:15Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Your question prompted me to watch the show again, from the beginning. And thank you for that, because it’s damn fine TV. > > In the pilot, Boyd used a rocket launcher to blow up a church. The church was a front for a dope operation (pot). Boyd didn’t bother to check that anyone was in the building. He yelled “Fire in the hole!” and without waiting for people who were nearby to get out of the way, he fired. > > Boyd then shot his accomplice in the back of the head after accusing him of being a snitch. > > He’s not a nice man. My understanding was that, at that time, Goggins was not a regular and [was supposed to be killed off in season 1](http://justified.wikia.com/wiki/Boyd_Crowder#Trivia). He acted himself into a full-time, starring role. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-03-05-the-hatchet-tour/652163.md?page=1)