# Justified - Final Season \[open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 20, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394 "2015-01-20T17:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/225 "2015-04-09T03:08:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Well, yes: Boon was designed to inspire us to wish him a painful demise. > > The writers had a problem to solve: over the years, Boyd has become a sympathetic character to many viewers. The thing about Boyd is: he’s _smart_. And _Justified_ viewers are self-selected to be fond of smart people. > > If the epic final confrontation has Raylan (also smart, of course) defeating Boyd, then in order to approve that final confrontation, we need to be pretty sure that Boyd is, in the last analysis, irredeemable. I agree that this is what they’re doing, but I don’t agree that it was necessary. I think viewers have had the same relationship with Boyd as Raylan does with the character - he likes him, but always understood that simply because of who he was (even while admitting he shares a lot of those traits), it was going to end badly one day. The entire point of Boyd is that he’s Raylan’s dark half, the Raylan that could have been with just a flutter of butterfly wings. There should be a resigned fatalism that they’re reaching the point they were always heading towards, rather than this manic scramble to make Boyd clearly worse - or giving us the idiotic Boone to reset the yardstick for criminal behavior. Instead, the point behind Boyd’s death should be the same as his life - that it could be Raylan, and likely _will_ be Raylan, one day. The point of the show is the same as the song - good or bad makes no difference, you’ll never leave Harlan alive. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/226 "2015-04-09T03:16:18Z")
I have to bring this up because gun fuckups like this bother me. The scene with Boon and Loretta and her friend: Boon does a quick draw and the gun doesn’t fire. Then he says something to the effect that a good gunman always keeps the hammer over an empty chamber. The problem with that is that when you draw and pull the trigger, _the cylinder rotates past the empty chamber_ and the hammer then comes down on a live round. Either the writers don’t know how a revolver works, or they just tried to slip it past. Either way, it annoys me when they assume ignorance on the part of the audience. Otherwise, a pretty good episode. Loretta will probably kill Markham, cuz she’s a hard case and he won’t see it coming. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/227 "2015-04-09T10:59:53Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I have to bring this up because gun fuckups like this bother me. The scene with Boon and Loretta and her friend: Boon does a quick draw and the gun doesn’t fire. Then he says something to the effect that a good gunman always keeps the hammer over an empty chamber. The problem with that is that when you draw and pull the trigger, _the cylinder rotates past the empty chamber_ and the hammer then comes down on a live round. Either the writers don’t know how a revolver works, or they just tried to slip it past. Either way, it annoys me when they assume ignorance on the part of the audience. I’m missing the problem, as I’ve always heard the same. You carry a revolver set to an empty chamber to avoid accidental discharge since there’s no safety. When you need to fire, it will advance to the next chamber and fire. I missed the scene you’re referring to though - are you saying Loretta’s friend’s gun didn’t fire and that was the explanation they gave, because yeah, that would be a screw up. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/228 "2015-04-09T12:03:07Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I have to bring this up because gun fuckups like this bother me. The scene with Boon and Loretta and her friend: Boon does a quick draw and the gun doesn’t fire. Then he says something to the effect that a good gunman always keeps the hammer over an empty chamber. The problem with that is that when you draw and pull the trigger, _the cylinder rotates past the empty chamber_ and the hammer then comes down on a live round. Either the writers don’t know how a revolver works, or they just tried to slip it past. Either way, it annoys me when they assume ignorance on the part of the audience. > [@epbrown01](#): > > I’m missing the problem, as I’ve always heard the same. You carry a revolver set to an empty chamber to avoid accidental discharge since there’s no safety. When you need to fire, it will advance to the next chamber and fire. I missed the scene you’re referring to though - are you saying Loretta’s friend’s gun didn’t fire and that was the explanation they gave, because yeah, that would be a screw up. There is no problem here - It was described correctly by Boone - but in a mischievous way - he was implying to the kid that he (the kid) got a free shot while Boone would have to “click twice” to fire. Gun folks, like **Chefguy** would go - “it doesn’t work that way kid -don’t try it” - folks that don’t know that detail (or aren’t thinking about it) would assume that either Boone was lying or he really was “that quick”. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/229 "2015-04-09T12:21:34Z")
No it was clearly the fuckup that **Chefguy** described. The action that took place could only have happened if Boone was carrying his weapon holstered with the hammer on a live round and the next cylinder empty. Plainly this would be ridiculous when confronting two armed people. Boone made it clear that after firing on the empty chamber “Jenny” was now “loaded with promise.” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/230 "2015-04-09T12:31:19Z")
I guess I don’t recall him ‘firing’ on the empty chamber - but I do recall the line about “loaded with promise” - ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/231 "2015-04-09T13:16:22Z")
I imagine Jenny is carried holstered in a cocked position, i.e. pulling the trigger drops the hammer only, not rotates the cylinder. The next da pull rotates cylinder, cocks and releases. Still makes no sense to carry it that way - why carry it cocked if it drops on an empty chamber - it would require one sa pull and one da pull to go boom. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/232 "2015-04-09T13:32:39Z")
Getting back to the actual show, did anyone else think it odd that the spot at which Bob captured Ava was _really_ close to the spot at which Boyd shot the guy who was giving him a ride? It was close enough that Bob heard Boyd’s shots. Perhaps, though, that was the one mountain road out of Harlan County, so they were both bound to show up there trying to evade capture. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/233 "2015-04-09T16:00:03Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Getting back to the actual show, did anyone else think it odd that the spot at which Bob captured Ava was _really_ close to the spot at which Boyd shot the guy who was giving him a ride? It was close enough that Bob heard Boyd’s shots. > > Perhaps, though, that was the one mountain road out of Harlan County, so they were both bound to show up there trying to evade capture. It didn’t strike me as too odd; once you accept that Raylan and Boyd both knew where Ava was likely to be. It’s not like you have a lot of choices of which mountain road will take you some place. > [@Chefguy](#): > > I have to bring this up because gun fuckups like this bother me. The scene with Boon and Loretta and her friend: Boon does a quick draw and the gun doesn’t fire. Then he says something to the effect that a good gunman always keeps the hammer over an empty chamber. The problem with that is that when you draw and pull the trigger, _the cylinder rotates past the empty chamber_ and the hammer then comes down on a live round. Either the writers don’t know how a revolver works, or they just tried to slip it past. Either way, it annoys me when they assume ignorance on the part of the audience. > > Otherwise, a pretty good episode. Loretta will probably kill Markham, cuz she’s a hard case and he won’t see it coming. Not only that but I hope Loretta will be the one to kill Boone. I don’t even care about Raylan out quick-drawing him; I want Loretta to blow his nuts off. The dry chamber thing made me roll my eyes too. You keep the hammer closed on an empty cylinder so that if the hammer is accidentally pulled up a little it can’t slam back down on a live round. Idiot Boone clearly had the hammer down on a live round, and when quick fired it moved to the empty cylinder. You don’t accidentally cock and shoot a gun; the accident you’re trying to avoid is when the gun doesn’t cock; but hits the cylinder that the hammer is currently on. > [@Isosleepy](#): > > I imagine Jenny is carried holstered in a cocked position, i.e. pulling the trigger drops the hammer only, not rotates the cylinder. The next da pull rotates cylinder, cocks and releases. Still makes no sense to carry it that way - why carry it cocked if it drops on an empty chamber - it would require one sa pull and one da pull to go boom. While I suppose this is possible, I have never heard of anyone who knows anything about guns keeping a cocked revolver in their holster. To be fair, I just did a quick google search, and surprisingly to me; it seems to be done by some people. :eek: Sounds like a good way to misfire a gun half way through the middle of your draw to me. There are a lot of ways this show can end, and I have to say, my preference is for it to end predictably. That is to say I wouldn’t mind if the following things occurred in the final episode: [ul] [li]Boyd gets killed by Raylan[/li][li]Markham gets killed by whomever. I don’t care by who; as long as he dies.[/li][li]Idiot Boone gets his nuts blown off by Loretta or else Raylan is just that much faster of a draw.[/li][li]Idiot Wynn Duffy who has a chance on getting out of Harlan should probably die as well; At the hands of Markham would be satisfying to me.[/li][li]I don’t want Raylan to end the show dead or not being a US Marshall. It’s all he knows. Furthermore I want him to ultimately go ‘home’ to Winona and his baby girl. (and for God’s sake, don’t do a twist where he rides off into the sunset with Ava!)[/li][li]I like Ava, but it wouldn’t bother me to see her sacrificed as a catalyst for the Raylan Boyd final show down.[/li][li] Start up a new Justified-esque show about Tim Gutterson. I’d totally watch that.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/234 "2015-04-09T16:31:23Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > Not only that but I hope Loretta will be the one to kill Boone. I don’t even care about Raylan out quick-drawing him; I want Loretta to blow his nuts off. They’ve really played up the skeevy pedophile angle with Boone and Loretta. I just figured it was a way to make the audience hate the guy, but the show has become tediously heavy-handed with the story arc and Loretta’s Revenge makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/235 "2015-04-09T16:44:08Z")
Ava/Boyd have to live long enough to clear Raylan and have ADA Vasquez get his ass handed to him. Other than that - my predictions are pretty much on the predictable path - Markham dead by Boyd during the rescue of Ava - it’s poetic and would only be moreso if Ava dies during the events. Boone will die @ Raylan’s hand Boyd is unlikely to go quietly - will likely be left ambiguous. Markham’s Money is found by Loretta. Raylan retires - charges dropped due to no evidence, etc. ---
**Author:** ![MsJinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@MsJinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsJinx)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/236 "2015-04-09T17:16:58Z")
Thanks to Vasquez, Raylan and Boyd are now on the same side, sort of, both wanted men. I do think it was admirable of Boyd not to attempt to ambush Raylan while he was rendering aid to Bob. Boyd knew exactly where he was heading, but chose to go after the money instead. That shows a somewhat decent side of him. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/237 "2015-04-09T17:21:02Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Ava/Boyd have to live long enough to clear Raylan and have ADA Vasquez get his ass handed to him. > > Other than that - my predictions are pretty much on the predictable path - > > Markham dead by Boyd during the rescue of Ava - it’s poetic and would only be moreso if Ava dies during the events. > > Boone will die @ Raylan’s hand > > Boyd is unlikely to go quietly - will likely be left ambiguous. > > Markham’s Money is found by Loretta. > > Raylan retires - charges dropped due to no evidence, etc. I like the way you think. Especially about Boyd staying alive. Every executive related to this show probably sees potential in a spin-off movie down the road, thus keeping the two main characters alive. Five years later, Boyd breaks out of prison. It’s time to call in Raylan Givens to find him. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/238 "2015-04-09T17:43:28Z")
Oh, and I just need to say… if stupid Uncle Zachariah didn’t feel the need to do the “[Villainous Monologue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-cEDubwxKE&feature=youtu.be&t=1m38s)” he had a really good chance at killing Boyd! ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/239 "2015-04-09T20:38:33Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Getting back to the actual show, did anyone else think it odd that the spot at which Bob captured Ava was _really_ close to the spot at which Boyd shot the guy who was giving him a ride? It was close enough that Bob heard Boyd’s shots. Why would that be odd - everyone knew Ava and her uncle ran to Grooves’ place and that seemed to be the closest road to it. Likely the _only_ road near it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/240 "2015-04-13T14:37:28Z")
What I thought was odd was that Nookie’s brother’s son had the same fashion sense as Boyd. The cat and mouse scenes between Boy and Rayllan in the woods bothered me a bit… they made them appear so close to each other that they should have had a better idea of each other’s location. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/241 "2015-04-13T19:24:13Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > … The cat and mouse scenes between Boy and Rayllan in the woods bothered me a bit… they made them appear so close to each other that they should have had a better idea of each other’s location. Yeah, the direction of that scene wasn’t really optimal. It’s as though we were asked to believe that neither was capable of noticing what direction the other’s voice was coming from. (It’s not as if it were a scene filmed inside a place where sound would bounce around confusingly, either.) ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/242 "2015-04-14T15:46:31Z")
Well, it all ends tonight. Here are a couple of fun articles about the closing of the series. > **['Justified' set to say goodbye](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/04/13/justified-fx-feature/25510807/)** > > Six-season FX drama's writers tried to stay true to author Elmore Leonard's intent. > **[News & views: 'Justified' has made its mark](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/columnist/2015/04/13/justified-fx-appreciation/25511161/)** > > In 6 seasons, FX drama has stayed true to old-school entertainment values. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/243 "2015-04-14T18:02:02Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > Well, it all ends tonight. > Here are a couple of fun articles about the closing of the series. > > ['Justified' set to say goodbye](http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/04/13/justified-fx-feature/25510807/) > [News & views: 'Justified' has made its mark](http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/columnist/2015/04/13/justified-fx-appreciation/25511161/) Another article lamenting the ending series [End of FX’s Excellent Justified Highlights TVs Vanishing Western’s](http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2015/04/14/399402377/end-of-fxs-excellent-justified-highlights-tvs-vanishing-westerns?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/244 "2015-04-15T03:08:50Z")
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