# Justified - Final Season \[open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 20, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394 "2015-01-20T17:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/21 "2015-01-23T00:18:22Z")
I think this series should be discussed on an individual episode basis and that the OP should request a moderator to rename this post as being for the discussion of episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/22 "2015-01-23T06:29:44Z")
I like the way that the Doctor Who episodes were handled this past season. Boxed spoilers until it ran on the US west coast, then open season. That rule was cited in every OP for each episode, and I knew to stay out of that thread if it took me a few days to watch. That being said, I enjoyed the first episode of Justified, although I hate to see one of my favorite characters go. Is this going to be like Sons of Anarchy, where we see long-time characters killed off little by little? Are Raylan and Boyd going to have a final knock-down drag em out showdown? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/23 "2015-01-23T15:56:06Z")
> [@Personal](#): > > I like the way that the Doctor Who episodes were handled this past season. Boxed spoilers until it ran on the US west coast, then open season. That rule was cited in every OP for each episode, and I knew to stay out of that thread if it took me a few days to watch. > > That being said, I enjoyed the first episode of Justified, although I hate to see one of my favorite characters go. Is this going to be like Sons of Anarchy, where we see long-time characters killed off little by little? > > Are Raylan and Boyd going to have a final knock-down drag em out showdown? The OP doesn’t seem to care, so I say spoil on. I’d say we can pretty much count on a final showdown of some sort. I also think the meeting on the bridge between Ava and Raylan was setting up a betrayal of Raylan by Ava. We’re being led to believe that because she could kill Bo Crowder without him seeing it coming, that she’s thinking she could also set up Boyd for a fall in the same way. But I think she’s going to bushwhack Raylan. Looks like Sam Elliot is going to be the Bad Guy of the Season. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/24 "2015-01-23T16:21:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > \<\\> Looks like Sam Elliot is going to be the Bad Guy of the Season. Bring him on! One of the best at that sort of thing. And don’t rule out [Garret Dillahunt](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0226813/?ref_=nv_sr_3) getting in on some of the skullduggery, too. One of the sustaining features of _Justified_ has been their ability to draw on the talents of some of the best heavies working today, often in simple, almost cameo, roles. I get the feeling that there’s a subculture of actors (both genders) who count on being used in small roles on popular shows like SoA, Breaking Bad, Justified, etc. It’s like a badge of honor for them to have appeared in the series that have lasted more than a season or two. It can be a fun way to spend the time it takes to look through the cast lists on [http://www.imdb.com/?ref\_=nv\_home](http://www.imdb.com/?ref_=nv_home) for the longer-running shows to see who all has had a small part in them. It might even make for some super-trivia category to learn which show has had the most bit roles and extras shots for the “now famous” types. I’d be willing to bet that _Gunsmoke_ might win such a thing. But what are some other shows of the past that excel in the use of big talent in small parts? It is indeed fun to see those folks from [Deadwood (2004–2006)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348914/?ref_=nv_sr_1) cropping up here and there in other successful shows. It’s like a damned fraternity of sorts. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/25 "2015-01-23T17:29:55Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > But what are some other shows of the past that excel in the use of big talent in small parts? Probably a subject for a separate thread. But _The Good Wife_ comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/26 "2015-01-23T17:32:12Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The OP doesn’t seem to care, so I say spoil on. > > I’d say we can pretty much count on a final showdown of some sort. I also think the meeting on the bridge between Ava and Raylan was setting up a betrayal of Raylan by Ava. We’re being led to believe that because she could kill Bo Crowder without him seeing it coming, that she’s thinking she could also set up Boyd for a fall in the same way. But I think she’s going to bushwhack Raylan… I didn’t even see that as subtext. That she could betray Raylan seemed to me to be the direct subject and that she could betray Boyd was the subtext. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/27 "2015-01-23T17:42:42Z")
My prediction is that Ava is going to wind up killing Boyd, or vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/28 "2015-01-23T18:18:16Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > My prediction is that Ava is going to wind up killing Boyd, or vice versa. The stalker moment at the end of the episode + the previous statement by Boyd (re: Dewey) strongly suggests versa. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/29 "2015-01-23T18:23:27Z")
> [@simster](#): > > The stalker moment at the end of the episode + the previous statement by Boyd (re: Dewey) strongly suggests versa. Which is why I think it will be Ava killing Boyd. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/30 "2015-01-23T20:19:10Z")
> [@simster](#): > > The stalker moment at the end of the episode + the previous statement by Boyd (re: Dewey) strongly suggests versa. Refresh my memory on the stalker moment. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/31 "2015-01-23T20:36:16Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Refresh my memory on the stalker moment. Boyd watching Ava sleep with an intense\* look on his face. \*default for Boyd when he’s thinking. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/32 "2015-01-24T19:02:59Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Good opening episode. Looks like they’re going to go out in style with the series. My wife asked me if I thought they would kill off Raylan in the end, but I don’t think Elmore Leonard would have wanted that to happen, so no. > > So sad: > > So long to Dewey, my favorite series character. Hapless, hopeless, and always engaging. As I was watching this ep I was wondering whether they’d kill off Raylan too. Immediately before the spoilered event I had decided that they would and that I knew just who would do it…so much for that theory. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/33 "2015-01-24T19:33:43Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > As I was watching this ep I was wondering whether they’d kill off Raylan too. Immediately before the spoilered event I had decided that they would and that I knew just who would do it…so much for that theory. Well, there was that discourse between Raylan and Art, wherein Art told him that his luck would run out at some point. It seemed a bit too heavy-handed and may be a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/34 "2015-01-24T19:46:19Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Well, there was that discourse between Raylan and Art, wherein Art told him that his luck would run out at some point. It seemed a bit too heavy-handed and may be a red herring. Everything from Art’s words of wisdom to the repeated use of “You’ll never leave Harlan alive” over and over has been beating us over the head with the idea that Raylan won’t get out of the town alive. Which is why I think it’s a huge fake-out. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/35 "2015-01-24T23:00:36Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > For fans I thoroughly enjoyed this: [Before The Bullets: An Oral History Of The Creation Of ‘Justified’](http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/01/justified-oral-history/) to set me up for the last season. Enjoyed the episode and enjoyed this article - thanks for linking to it! ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/36 "2015-01-26T21:00:50Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The OP doesn’t seem to care, so I say spoil on. > > I’d say we can pretty much count on a final showdown of some sort. I also think the meeting on the bridge between Ava and Raylan was setting up a betrayal of Raylan by Ava. We’re being led to believe that because she could kill Bo Crowder without him seeing it coming, that she’s thinking she could also set up Boyd for a fall in the same way. But I think she’s going to bushwhack Raylan. Looks like Sam Elliot is going to be the Bad Guy of the Season. Correct. I do not care. Sorry for the late reply. Unless you’ve seen the show ahead of its broadcast in other areas, then what’s the big deal? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/37 "2015-01-26T21:03:27Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > My prediction is that Ava is going to wind up killing Boyd, or vice versa. I could see Boyd killing Ava, but if Boyd is going to die… I really think it needs to be at hands of Raylan. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/38 "2015-01-26T21:06:31Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Everything from Art’s words of wisdom to the repeated use of “You’ll never leave Harlan alive” over and over has been beating us over the head with the idea that Raylan won’t get out of the town alive. Which is why I think it’s a huge fake-out. Man, if they pull a Boardwalk Empire ending on this; I’m going to be really ticked off. I want to see Raylan ride off into the sunset… or at least make it back to his baby and Winona. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/39 "2015-01-26T21:23:58Z")
Oh yeah, and did anyone else catch the goof where they showed the pickup’s wheels spinning before they showed him slam the truck in gear? (the scene where truck was using its winch cable) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/40 "2015-01-26T23:42:27Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > What’s amazing is that it wasn’t his own stupidity that killed off Dewey but instead his childlike nostalgia for their neo-Nazi past. I really don’t think so, you saw Boyd do a double take the second mexico was brought up. If he hadn’t mentioned that he would probably still be around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394.md?page=3)