# Justified - Final Season \[open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 20, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394 "2015-01-20T17:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/121 "2015-03-05T19:54:11Z")
I am really going to miss this show when it is finally over. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/122 "2015-03-05T21:06:11Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > I am really going to miss this show when it is finally over. I will too, but I prefer it leaving on a high note rather than stretching it out and having the last seasons leaving a sour taste behind. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/123 "2015-03-05T21:51:58Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Boyd has suspected Ava is a CI for quite a while. He didn’t want to believe it. He has only told her little bits, I think where the mine is. And he knows that Ava and Raylan talk, and he left the documents for her to find. He’s been testing her all along. What he really cares about is that Ava is his, and the icing on the cake is that she would carry no torch for Raylan. Boyd wants what his brother and Raylan couldn’t keep. That’s Ava. One point - it was the guy staying with Ava that told her the mine’s location. Boyd’s been too suspicious to give that away. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/124 "2015-03-05T23:42:02Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > One point - it was the guy staying with Ava that told her the mine’s location. Boyd’s been too suspicious to give that away. Good catch. ---
**Author:** ![bbonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@bbonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbonden)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/125 "2015-03-06T01:13:12Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I will too, but I prefer it leaving on a high note rather than stretching it out and having the last seasons leaving a sour taste behind. Agreed on both points. Not every season, or every episode, has been great, but overall a tremendous and consistent Elmore Leonard feel. I am sure that there have been better TV villains than Mags Bennett, but I can’t think of them. Personally, my only concern for the end is that it not end up as a Raylan vs. Boyd showdown. I don’t think that it is fair to either character to have him end up with a pure white or pure black hat - at least not without a transformation from his so-far-developed character. I’d like to see Raylan find his peace outside of the holler, and Boyd his peace somewhere within it. Perhaps with a Dairy Queen, or at least a medicinal marijuana concession. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/126 "2015-03-06T21:23:17Z")
So now we have reconciliations for both the primary antagonists, both of whom are going to fight hard to remain alive to return to their love interests. This will hopefully result in some interesting episodes. I’m betting on a Raylan-Boyd standoff against Mr. Evil and his minions, and then some sort of final conflict for the two of them. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/127 "2015-03-09T19:13:38Z")
I like that! As the proverb says: “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.” Markham’s strength has been reduced by quite a bit. It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/128 "2015-03-10T22:59:31Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > I like that! As the proverb says: “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.” > Markham’s strength has been reduced by quite a bit. It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out. Has it, though? The mere mention of Markham’s name put the fear in Boyd, who isn’t afraid of much. It’s obvious that Walker and his men are recent hires, and Markham’s rep was around long before he employed Walker, Seabass, and Choo Choo. He surely has deep resources that we have not seen yet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/129 "2015-03-10T23:08:44Z")
He had better call them in. Walker and company seem smart to me. They are inexperienced as criminals, but they are certainly not Dewey Crowe. I miss me my little Dewey. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/130 "2015-03-10T23:48:38Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Has it, though? The mere mention of Markham’s name put the fear in Boyd, who isn’t afraid of much. If you’re talking about the scene at the dining room table a few weeks back, I don’t think Boyd was afraid of Markham’s rep. It’s just that Markham had the drop on him, and Boyd said what he had to say to stay alive. But as soon as he was out of there, he was laying plans to take him down. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/131 "2015-03-11T03:12:20Z")
“This is bullshit! You shot me in the back!” “Well, if you wanted to get shot in the front, you should have run _toward_ me.” 😃 RIP Ty Walker More 1310 The Ticket easter eggs in this episode. Descriptions of “Gordon Keith,” a wheels-off guy obsessed with Lee Harvey Oswald. And “Grubes,” the guy Boyd said could get Walker through the hills. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/132 "2015-03-11T07:28:01Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > “This is bullshit! You shot me in the back!” > “Well, if you wanted to get shot in the front, you should have run _toward_ me.” Heh. It reminded me of the scene in _Unforgiven_, when Gene Hackman says “You just shot an unarmed man!” and Clint says, “Well, he should have armed himself, if he’s gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.” I didn’t understand the empty shed scene at all. Raylan’s always wanted to know what was inside, but waited until he found the key to the padlock, rather than just knocking the lock off, or kicking in the door? From the looks of it, Mary Steenburgen could have kicked in the door. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/133 "2015-03-11T15:02:52Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > “This is bullshit! You shot me in the back!” > “Well, if you wanted to get shot in the front, you should have run _toward_ me.” If I were Garret Dillahunt, I’d stop working with Timothy Oliphant. He always ends up dead. Tim was probably grinning like a Cheshire cat when _Raising Hope_ was canceled, simply so he could watch Garret die again. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/134 "2015-03-11T18:06:20Z")
Now that Raylan has guessed that Ava is “burned” is he still going to try to help her? It was hilarious how Boyd thought a bunch of books and boxes was so much better than $100k he had in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/135 "2015-03-11T18:23:41Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I didn’t understand the empty shed scene at all. Raylan’s always wanted to know what was inside, but waited until he found the key to the padlock, rather than just knocking the lock off, or kicking in the door? He was scared of it. It was the strongest association he had from his childhood as an embodiment of all the worst things Raylan feared and imagined about his father. Turns out his imagination was overblown, as childhood imaginations usually are. Arlo was fundamentally bad, but in a banal way. He wasn’t quite as _evil_ as young Raylan fantasized. Still it was a traumatic confrontation with his worst fears he had to work himself up to, not something easily faced ( certainly not while Arlo was still alive ). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/136 "2015-03-11T18:57:33Z")
I was a bit annoyed that the shed they found for this had another door in the room Raylan went into, and Raylan never opened that door. One of the interesting things about this episode is that every criminal character considers just walking away with what they have and waiting for things to come to them non-criminally later on. So far Boyd and Walker are the only ones to definitively turn down going straight. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/137 "2015-03-11T21:49:00Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Has it, though? The mere mention of Markham’s name put the fear in Boyd, who isn’t afraid of much. It’s obvious that Walker and his men are recent hires, and Markham’s rep was around long before he employed Walker, Seabass, and Choo Choo. He surely has deep resources that we have not seen yet. I don’t think that put any fear in Boyd at all; as a matter of fact I think Boyd is like Rayland in that there’s not too much he’s really afraid of. It was stated he had the resources to get more men; but that was all he had right then. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Now that Raylan has guessed that Ava is “burned” is he still going to try to help her? It was hilarious how Boyd thought a bunch of books and boxes was so much better than $100k he had in hand. Books and Boxes? There was a ton of cash in there too. Regarding Ava, There’s still sexual chemistry between Rayland and Ava. I wonder that’s going to go anywhere else now that she’s burned. So it’s like I said in post #79; the family reunion continues. We got to see a clip of Arlo Crowder in the shed. Hopefully we’ll see a clip of Mags Bennett/Margo Martindale dredged up in one of Rayland’s memory. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/138 "2015-03-11T21:54:14Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > Books and Boxes? There was a ton of cash in there too. I think he was referring to the books and boxes Boyd had set up in his office to represent the stacks of cash. Which is probably as close to the real thing as he will ever get, given that Crowder luck :). ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/139 "2015-03-11T22:30:54Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I think he was referring to the books and boxes Boyd had set up in his office to represent the stacks of cash. Which is probably as close to the real thing as he will ever get, given that Crowder luck :). oh. ha ha. whoosh! ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394/140 "2015-03-11T22:41:57Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > “This is bullshit! You shot me in the back!” > “Well, if you wanted to get shot in the front, you should have run _toward_ me.” > > 😃 > > RIP Ty Walker > > More 1310 The Ticket easter eggs in this episode. Descriptions of “Gordon Keith,” a wheels-off guy obsessed with Lee Harvey Oswald. And “Grubes,” the guy Boyd said could get Walker through the hills. Second best lines of the night. First best (paraphrasing): Whats yiur mom buried in? Knowing my dad, theshittiest coffin he could find. How about your dad? The shttiest coffin i could find. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-final-season-open-spoilers/710394.md?page=8)