# Justified returns tonight! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 8, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492 "2013-01-08T16:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/121 "2013-02-06T17:49:02Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Not quite random - the guy that got shot in the trailer tonite is a FBI director that went after Raylan in the last season - and its now clear that he (and the FBI agent that got shot last week) have been working with the Detroit gang (and possibly Dixie Mafia) for some time now. > > Wynn Duffy got ‘promoted’ at the end of last season after Quarles completely lost it - before then he was pretty much a two bit player. So the guy who got shot in the eye many years ago hasn’t been mentioned before?? Thanks for that bit of background… now what do I need to know about the info that they wanted to kill Ella Mae over and what is her relationship with the sherriff-type played by Jim Beaver? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/122 "2013-02-06T17:54:52Z")
The guy shot in the eye is Theo Tonin, a Detroit crime boss. He’s played by Adam Arkin and was on the show last season. Ellen May witnessed Ava killing a guy last season. I don’t remember the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/123 "2013-02-06T17:58:04Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Old home week for _Deadwood_ alumni. I chuckled when Raylan told Josiah “I remember you”. > > Olyphant, Jim Beaver, Stephen Tobolowski (sp?), and Gerald McRaney. > > Why did Constable Bob have a photo album – in his car – with a picture of Raylan’s Aunt Mary? Or was that Bob’s Aunt Mary and Raylan was claiming her, to get in with the hill people? > > I haven’t watched the whole episode yet. Constable Bob still had Ralyan’s stuff from when Raylan came down after the house was broken into. Why? becasue that way we get to see Constable Bob again 🙂 > [@What\_the](#): > > So the guy who got shot in the eye many years ago hasn’t been mentioned before?? > > Thanks for that bit of background… now what do I need to know about the info that they wanted to kill Ella Mae over and what is her relationship with the sherriff-type played by Jim Beaver? The guy that got shot in the eye is the leader of the Detroit Mafia - he’s been mentioned before, but not with that detail. Ella Mae was a witness to the murder of her former pimp at the hands of Eva and/or Boyd - if she talks, that would actually give some evidence to be able to go after them. I don’t know that she has a ‘relationship’ with Bobby, other than he’s supposed to be a lawman. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/124 "2013-02-06T18:22:58Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Why did Constable Bob have a photo album – in his car – with a picture of Raylan’s Aunt Mary? Or was that Bob’s Aunt Mary and Raylan was claiming her, to get in with the hill people? No, Raylan confirmed with Boyd that he was in fact kin to the hills folk, if remotely. The photo album was part of the stuff that Constable Bob had gathered up for him from Arlo’s house in the first episode of this season. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/125 "2013-02-06T23:00:48Z")
So Ellen May did think Colton was under orders to kill her. Dang. I doubt she’ll survive the season, but the little girl from S2 survived, so maybe Ellen May will too. Is Josiah actually Drew? If the feds thought the real Drew was dead (and they did think that), they could have arrested him for something else, hence the monitor. Hiding in plain sight. Probably not. I’ve never accurately predicted anything on this show. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/126 "2013-02-07T04:55:53Z")
I don’t think Ellen May (and I am so impressed with you here – I thought they kept calling her EllA Mae too, but I looked it up and you are correct – bravo!) knew that Colton was out to kill her. I believe the sherif was the one who, since he suspected something during the “interview” with the preacher’s sister, just went and looked for her, then picked her up when he had the chance. Good timing. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/127 "2013-02-07T17:22:32Z")
I would have kept calling her Ella May but I noticed the name Ellen May at IMDB, when I looked to see who was playing Colton. Because it sure sounds like everyone’s saying Ella May. 🙂 I like the thought of the sheriff watching out for her, but he would have had to know that Ellen May was a recent convert and that she may have talked to Cassie. It seems a stretch. But Ellen May is so dim, it’s easier to believe the sheriff was at the right place at the right time than to believe she figured things out, and that she knew who to call. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/128 "2013-02-07T22:49:07Z")
Jeez, how many layers of southern criminals are there? We already have Miami \> Dixie Mafia \> Crowders \> Bennets \> Limehouse, and now there are “hill people” ??? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/129 "2013-02-07T23:23:39Z")
Don’t forget Detroit. Or are they Dixie Mafia? Was Limehouse’s crew criminal? I thought he was more of a banker/middleman. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/130 "2013-02-08T15:05:01Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Jeez, how many layers of southern criminals are there? We already have Miami \> Dixie Mafia \> Crowders \> Bennets \> Limehouse, and now there are “hill people” ??? I don’t find that at all implausible. I imagine that most criminals either work alone or within a small group. And I didn’t see the hill people as a criminal enterprise, but instead more as people who _really_ want to be left alone. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/131 "2013-02-13T17:16:48Z")
My gosh but there’s a lot going on. Colton looking for a fix and for Ellen May, Tim helping a friend set things right with a dealer, Colton beating up one of Ava’s regular customers, Johnny and Wynn Duffy both trying to set Boyd up, Arlo’s lawyer looking for Drew on behalf of Arlo, and who knows what the heck else. Can someone explain why Ava and Boyd want to go to some guy’s sex party? Is it part of the search for Drew Thompson or what? And who’s the former lawman that Arlo’s lawyer was talking about? Shelby? It looks like I was wrong about Josiah being Drew. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/132 "2013-02-13T17:44:08Z")
I’m seeing speculation on the IMDB board that Shelby is Drew. His story about being hit by a truck and breaking both legs would be a good cover. The question is why he shared that with Raylan. Does he want to be caught? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/133 "2013-02-13T17:54:21Z")
Shelby is a bit too decent to be Drew. But I’d like that twist. And I cannot imagine that Boyd will let other men anywhere near Eva. He’s just a bit too old fashioned for that. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/134 "2013-02-13T18:00:15Z")
I don’t like Shelby being Drew, unless he was somehow forced into it. Maybe he was the pilot and didn’t know his passenger had stolen those drugs. And he bailed out because the plane was about to crash. And his ID was in the bag because . . . I got nuthin’. I can see Boyd pimping Ava, for a big payoff. Boyd is always gonna be Number One in Boyd’s life. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/135 "2013-02-14T01:08:06Z")
too many to quote - Eva and Boyd are going to the party to look for drew - I don’t remember Shelby very well at this point, but that seems pretty plausible for him to be Drew. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/136 "2013-02-14T11:19:00Z")
Happy to see Tim get his own mini story line. He’s a good character. No Rachel though. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/137 "2013-02-14T11:59:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > too many to quote - > > Eva and Boyd are going to the party to look for drew - > > I don’t remember Shelby very well at this point, but that seems pretty plausible for him to be Drew. Sounds like you’re confused as to who Shelby is… He’s the sheriff played by Jim Beaver (an occasional poster on this board, btw) who saved Ellen Mae and looks to be gaining Raylan’s trust after severing his relationship with Boyd. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/138 "2013-02-14T13:24:11Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Sounds like you’re confused as to who Shelby is… He’s the sheriff played by Jim Beaver (an occasional poster on this board, btw) who saved Ellen Mae and looks to be gaining Raylan’s trust after severing his relationship with Boyd. yeah - then you’re right - I always call him Sheriff ‘Bobby’ - that’s not the lawman that tried to have Raylan killed that is currently serving time. I guess its time to break out season 1 and 2 and figure out who that was - ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/139 "2013-02-14T14:31:37Z")
> [@simster](#): > > yeah - then you’re right - I always call him Sheriff ‘Bobby’ - that’s not the lawman that tried to have Raylan killed that is currently serving time. > > I guess its time to break out season 1 and 2 and figure out who that was - A rewatch is always fun if you want, but there’s no need for that. [Here’s the guy,](http://justified.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_Mosley) unless there’s more than one person fitting that description. (At first, I was thinking about the Bennet clan’s lawman with the beard.) [And here’s a relevant episode recap.](http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/04/28/justified-season-1-episode-7-blind-spot-tv-recap/) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492/140 "2013-02-14T16:54:40Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Can someone explain why Ava and Boyd want to go to some guy’s sex party? Is it part of the search for Drew Thompson or what? They don’t need a reason as far as I’m concerned 😃 !! Having noted that there was only L and V with no N or SC I was rooting for it to be in the next episode … woo hoo !!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-returns-tonight/646492.md?page=8)