# Justified, Season Five starts tonight! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 7, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140 "2014-01-07T16:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/241 "2014-04-10T12:10:28Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Wendy just changed her mind about recording her bro, right? There isn’t that big a dif between wearing a wire and her method is there? She wasn’t going to help Raylan/Marshalls - and actually wearing a wire and having them nearby was definitely not going to go well. We assume that in the between minutes - she decided to go ahead and get what she needed from Daryl in a way that she felt she had control. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/242 "2014-04-10T14:38:11Z")
I briefly wondered if the phone call with Darryl was what made her change her mind. She had told him they were gonna sue the pants off the marshals and instead of Darryl being all gung-ho about it – like he would be if his story were true – he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/243 "2014-04-10T14:41:36Z")
Isn’t Dewey still in the wind? My favorite character, by far. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/244 "2014-04-10T14:49:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Isn’t Dewey still in the wind? My favorite character, by far. Far as I’m aware, he’s still busy getting out of cars without the parking brake on. 🆒 I wonder if Boyd suspects there’s something fishy about Ava’s release? ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/245 "2014-04-10T14:53:20Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Isn’t Dewey still in the wind? My favorite character, by far. Nope, the marshals picked him up last episode when Boyd was wearing the wire to attempt to incriminate Darryl. Dewey busted in and admitted to killing some guy and the marshalls heard it all. BTW, my jaw dropped when I found out Dewey is played by an Australian actor. Hearing his normal voice is surreal. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/246 "2014-04-10T14:55:06Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > Nope, the marshals picked him up last episode when Boyd was wearing the wire to attempt to incriminate Darryl. Dewey busted in and admitted to killing some guy and the marshalls heard it all. :smack: How did I forget that? That was classic Dewey Crowe! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/247 "2014-04-10T15:08:10Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I briefly wondered if the phone call with Darryl was what made her change her mind. She had told him they were gonna sue the pants off the marshals and instead of Darryl being all gung-ho about it – like he would be if his story were true – he wasn’t. I would agree with that - since there was nothing to indicate that the plan to prosecute Kendal was ‘bullshit’ from the Marshal/Prosecution side of it - she made that up to gauge Daryls reaction. She was convinced at that point (during the previous scene) that Daryl’s story, and Kendal’s confession, was bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/248 "2014-04-10T16:50:32Z")
Justified is still a great show, but this was the weakest season and finale yet. Just not nearly as much punch as Mags or Quarles. Next season should be fun, though. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/249 "2014-04-10T18:17:07Z")
Agreed with the consensus that this season wasn’t up to par. In addition to the finale being lackluster, I felt they were being unnecessarily cruel to Winona by teasing her yet again that Raylan would join her only to leave her hanging. What the hell, man? Unless next season pulls a How I Met Your Mother and the entire season takes place over the course of a week, that’s uncool. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/250 "2014-04-10T18:24:34Z")
Well, the last couple of episodes got better, but I was pretty disappointed at how slow and incoherent the storyline was. Even more than in past seasons, there was an awful lot of aimless wandering around in between events that made sense and advanced the show. Looks like next season is the Boyd v. Raylan showdown. Could be a very, very interesting cat and mouse game and up to the best seasons of Breaking Bad. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/251 "2014-04-10T18:25:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Agreed with the consensus that this season wasn’t up to par. > > In addition to the finale being lackluster, I felt they were being unnecessarily cruel to Winona by teasing her yet again that Raylan would join her only to leave her hanging. What the hell, man? Unless next season pulls a How I Met Your Mother and the entire season takes place over the course of a week, that’s uncool. That was another sore spot for me. There was no way Raylan was moving to Florida. The show itself wouldn’t allow it. So why have the scene? ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/252 "2014-04-10T18:28:36Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Agreed with the consensus that this season wasn’t up to par. > > In addition to the finale being lackluster, I felt they were being unnecessarily cruel to Winona by teasing her yet again that Raylan would join her only to leave her hanging. What the hell, man? Unless next season pulls a How I Met Your Mother and the entire season takes place over the course of a week, that’s uncool. He’s planning to move to Florida, and the move/transfer isn’t for a “few weeks.” The last season could be Raylan’s last hurrah in Kentucky before his time there is up. Could be next season Raylan faces a lot of trouble/danger next season, with periodic calls to Winona to underscore the “two weeks to retirement” trope. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > Megs (Margo Martindale) set the standard for season villain, and despite Rappaport’s best work (which ain’t saying much), the Crowes never brought enough menace. I feel like that was more writing and character than acting. As disappointing as the season was, the acting didn’t rub me the wrong way. The writing wasn’t up to its normal standard. Too bad The Haitian got tired of being on a successful show for a short-season, as his character might have added something to the show. Wonder how much work you get when you bail on a show like that. Gotta hurt your chances to get on a show for more than a single episode > [@Tarwater](#): > > That was another sore spot for me. There was no way Raylan was moving to Florida. The show itself wouldn’t allow it. So why have the scene? Next season is the LAST season. Anything goes. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/253 "2014-04-10T18:40:05Z")
Prediction for the series finale: Boyd does what he does best and blows himself up. You read it here first. (Well, probably not. But there’s my stake in the ground.) ETA: “hisself.” Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/254 "2014-04-10T21:00:02Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Agreed with the consensus that this season wasn’t up to par. > > In addition to the finale being lackluster, I felt they were being unnecessarily cruel to Winona by teasing her yet again that Raylan would join her only to leave her hanging. What the hell, man? Unless next season pulls a How I Met Your Mother and the entire season takes place over the course of a week, that’s uncool. Well, most seasons seem like they take place in well under a month, so compressing them to a week or two isn’t a big stretch. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/255 "2014-04-10T21:19:10Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Wendy just changed her mind about recording her bro, right? There isn’t that big a dif between wearing a wire and her method is there? Yeah, do they even need wires anymore? You young punks won’t believe this, but back in my day, the main purpose of a phone was to transmit voices from one location to another. So why just record him? And then, why tell a homicidal maniac that she recorded him, instead of just leaving? All credit to Daryl, though. He took getting his balls shot off a lot better than I would have. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/256 "2014-04-10T22:36:02Z")
Anybody notice how apparently the marshals’ office and Pawnee city hall are in the same building? You can recognize the outside of the building, where that marshal and Darryl Crowe had their conversation in the parking lot about where to find a nice motel and how the marshal had spent four days on a mountain during his second tour in Afghanistan. (I think it’s Pasadena city hall or somewhere in that general vicinity). ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/257 "2014-04-10T23:38:38Z")
I was really sorry to see Boyd’s young assistant get it. I do feel like this season was pretty much a holding pattern, to set up next season (I hope!) The Crowe’s were never credible as big bad villains, they were just chicken-shit scum. The Haitian was the most menacing of them, and he was bumped off early. The fact that the last brother tripped and fell on his own knife, well, that’s Dewey’s kinfolk, right? Kendall is the second teen that Rayland has tried to rescue. Since what-s-er-name showed up the next season, I’m hoping that Kendall will, too. I found Ava’s adventures in prison to be just… well, trite. For a show that’s usually dripping with surprise twists and real drama, it was disappointing. The notion that Boyd would have let the lying cop off so easily was (IMHO) inconsistent with what we know about Boyd. Similarly, the whole Mexico subplot was pretty much ho-hum. (I did love the way Boyd got out of their clutches in the finale, but I always love the ways Boyd gets out of jams. The cigarette pack was precious.) I wonder whether the whole uber-plot was wrecked when the Haitian got written off the show. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/258 "2014-04-11T00:18:32Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > I wonder whether the whole uber-plot was wrecked when the Haitian got written off the show. My impression is what really killed this season was Elmore Leonard dying. Didn’t he offer feedback on scripts? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/259 "2014-04-11T00:37:45Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > I wonder whether the whole uber-plot was wrecked when the Haitian got written off the show. Better to say asked to get written off of the show. The show runners were psyched to have him, but he felt the character was going nowhere and doing nothing and asked out. It seemed that this season they tried to ‘go small’, rather than trying to find bigger and badder (and weirder) menaces. It just didn’t work. The Ava story never clicked, the social worker disappeared, the brother’s death was just stupid, Rappaport was about as scary as he was on his guest appearance in _Raising Hope_, and the support cast was neglected. For me, the only plot thread that worked was Art and Raylan. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/260 "2014-04-11T02:08:54Z")
And what about that judge and his mail-order bride from early in the season? Wasn’t she left with nothing? Boyd kills her husband and she keeps quiet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140.md?page=14)