# Justified, Season Five starts tonight! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 7, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140 "2014-01-07T16:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/61 "2014-01-24T21:54:29Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > Nah, when Raylan killed the hit-man dressed as a cop who was taking away Boyd & Ava, he said, “Damn I hope I got that right.” That has got to be the series highlight to date, and the highlight of whatever two shows bracket “Justified” as well, 'cause it’s just that good. Bonus points for great Boyd/Ava/Raylan banter just before. > > “Seal Team Six” was entertaining, but no highlight of this series could exclude Raylan, and should probably include Boyd as well. Agree. Number two for me was Raylan’s [scene](http://youtu.be/s0iQrPKG2jw) with the guy who liked to stab people in the hand with his ice pick. I had no idea how Raylan was going to get out of that, and :smack: when it was over. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/62 "2014-01-25T11:09:51Z")
Not much talk about this weeks episode. I finally got around to seeing it, and it felt like an expositional episode, just setting up (hopefully) good things to come. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/63 "2014-02-05T13:51:20Z")
Wonder what the body count is going to be by the end ? Is Art dirty? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/64 "2014-02-05T14:42:44Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Wonder what the body count is going to be by the end ? Is Art dirty? I think Art is afraid of an indictment for Raylan for abetting the murder of Theo Tonin. He’s personally investigating what happened to see if Raylan was involved in any way. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/65 "2014-02-05T14:50:23Z")
Why the HELL did Raylan tell Art about Nicky Augustine after he got out of the situation scot free? That was a damn stupid thing to do, and selfish to boot: now Art is involved and he didn’t have to be. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/66 "2014-02-05T15:01:03Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > > [@eenerms](#): > > > > Wonder what the body count is going to be by the end ? Is Art dirty? > > I think Art is afraid of an indictment for Raylan for abetting the murder of Theo Tonin. He’s personally investigating what happened to see if Raylan was involved in any way. Not Theo Tonin but Nicky Augustine (played by Mike O’Malley). Remember that in the last episode of the previous season, Raylan walked away as Sammy Tonin’s people shoot up Augustine’s limo. So I don’t think Art is dirty but he suspects that Ray is. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/67 "2014-02-05T15:13:26Z")
BTW, no one commented last week on the appearance by Tim Gutterson and his hilarious line, “I think something just came between me and my Calvins.” ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/68 "2014-02-05T15:14:55Z")
Does anybody else think this season has been super disappointing? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/69 "2014-02-05T15:39:44Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > Does anybody else think this season has been super disappointing? Too soon to tell. The season feels kinda disjointed but many individual scenes have been very effective. Why was Theo in that container? Is he being smuggled somewhere or what? ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/70 "2014-02-05T16:18:04Z")
I thought there was a mention about Theo having a heart condition he needed treated and he need to go somewhere for that. And at the end they mentioned a five-hour flight. ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/71 "2014-02-05T16:25:02Z")
My understanding is that Theo was there to kill the guy who killed his son. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/72 "2014-02-05T16:32:15Z")
But why was he in a container? And how did the marshals know where to look? I do pay attention but sometimes the pace of this show leaves me in the dust. Did Art really have a gun in the diner showdown? I waited for a reveal that he was unarmed but it didn’t come. The Ava plot is silly. That jailer must know who he’s messing with, so why risk your life for some petty revenge. The charge won’t stick (no pun intended) since Ava’s prints won’t be on that shiv. Also, as someone on Sepinwall’s blog said, it’s obvious that Ava had no motive, since she was due to be released the next day. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/73 "2014-02-05T17:25:49Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > Does anybody else think this season has been super disappointing? No. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/74 "2014-02-05T17:27:08Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > But why was he in a container? And how did the marshals know where to look? Picker told them where the hitman was hanging out. It’s implied during the diner scene that Picker is familiar with the location because the hitman tells Picker to come find him (him being the hitman), but doesn’t give a location. I’m assuming it was commonly understood to be a mafia meeting place, at least to those privy to mafia goings-on. They find Tonin because he we hit in the crossfire and was bleeding quite heavily, enough for a SWAT guy to notice a pool of blood coming from inside a container. I assumed at the time that Tonin was there to witness Picker’s death, seeing as how Picker killed his son. That’s not sitting well with me, though. > [@](#): > > The Ava plot is silly. That jailer must know who he’s messing with, so why risk your life for some petty revenge. The charge won’t stick (no pun intended) since Ava’s prints won’t be on that shiv. Also, as someone on Sepinwall’s blog said, it’s obvious that Ava had no motive, since she was due to be released the next day. When Ava had her final meeting with Boyd, my sister and I looked at each other and said, “Oh shoot, they’re killing Ava!” because it was clear from the way that the scene was written that something bad was going to happen. Turns out it was something even worse, at least from my perspective as a viewer. It’s inexplicably poor writing and kind of makes the whole plotline seem like a tedious waste of time ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/75 "2014-02-05T17:35:55Z")
Oh, and was that Alex Jones that Art was listening to on the radio? It sounded like him, which I thought was a hilarious meta-joke about Nick Searcy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/76 "2014-02-05T18:13:38Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Did Art really have a gun in the diner showdown? I waited for a reveal that he was unarmed but it didn’t come. > > The Ava plot is silly. That jailer must know who he’s messing with, so why risk your life for some petty revenge. The charge won’t stick (no pun intended) since Ava’s prints won’t be on that shiv. Also, as someone on Sepinwall’s blog said, it’s obvious that Ava had no motive, since she was due to be released the next day. Art is busy having fun pretending to be Raylan, and then Raylan confessess about Augustine, shattering Art’s secret hero worship of Raylan. The Ava thing will stick. Law enforcement doesn’t really care about the nice details when an officer gets hurt and the cellmate will back it up. It was a really, really stupid thing for the little creep to do, but he is stupider than Dewey Crowe, who himself finally seems to be smartening up. Boyd really should have killed Crowe (Michael Rappaport) in the bar when he got the chance. He won’t get another. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/77 "2014-02-05T18:40:39Z")
When the second Crowe killed the Gator guy, saw that coming, pretty graphic. I enjoyed the Gator guy though. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/78 "2014-02-05T20:37:34Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > Does anybody else think this season has been super disappointing? I commented a few posts above yours about how, up to that point, there had a been a lot of set-up and it had been less fun/enjoyable than I had hoped. I’ve not given up on the season yet. I thought this episode was pretty good, for example. It feels like they finally have all the pieces where they want them now, and from hereon out we’ll have episodes the leave us wanting more. I’m not sure how I feel about Raylan’s confession to Art. On the one hand, it complicates things and makes Art an accessory after the fact. On the other, I think Art knew anyway, and Raylan thought Art knew, and he didn’t want to lie to him. Art gave him an opening to talk about it right before Raylan got up to leave, but he didn’t take it. It bothered him enough to turn around and come back to talk about it. Disappointing parts of this episode: 1. They got Alan Tudyk to play a badass, and he only lasts one episode! Raylan never gets to trade badass quips with him (though the Art scenes were great), and Tudyk goes down after Raylan shoots him in the back. Seems like a tremendous waste of Alan Tudyk. 2. The Haitian is dead, and neither Raylan nor Boyd had anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/79 "2014-02-05T23:23:54Z")
Of course Art knew it was Raylan. Art knows Raylan well enough now to pull the threatened gunfight in the diner routine and the lead up just as well as Raylan. Art was willing to let it go, just like the missing money from evidence early on when Winona took it for a while. Art was fine as long as he had plausible deniability, but he doesn’t any more, and his pension is threatened, not to mention his freedom. Of course he decks Raylan next week (in the promo). There is a moral price to being Raylan. Art tried it on just this once in the diner, and now he is all in. Poor Art. He should resign/retire for health reasons immediately and get the hell out of Harlan. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140/80 "2014-02-05T23:56:07Z")
I wonder how quick Art is on the draw. If the hitman hadn’t stood down, would Art have been able to get his gun out before him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/justified-season-five-starts-tonight/678140.md?page=5)