# Kalt, you bigoted piece of shit

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 21, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kalt-you-bigoted-piece-of-shit/176462 "2003-05-21T02:10:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kalt-you-bigoted-piece-of-shit/176462/141 "2003-06-02T03:34:45Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Mtgman \*  
> \*\*“The allies were disturbed by the rate at which the German people re-built infrastructure[munitions factories, bridges, etc] destroyed by bombing raids. The decision was made that it was necessary to reduce the German workforce in order to keep their ability to rebuild at a minimum.” So they killed the people. Firebombed the civilian population. Something like 60% of the city burned and the casualties in a single night were estimated ~ 40,000. Men, women, and children. Some of them undoubtedly worked making munitions and other war infrastructure. Some were undoubtedly teachers and daycare workers as well as doctors, etc. Most of the casualties that night were noncombatants.
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> So, was this terror? Or was this just another way of taking out infrastructure? Are human resources, civilians who may or may not work in war-infrastructure supporting capacities, just another level of infrastructure and open to targeting depending on the circumstances? \*\*

I’ve never understood the idea that civilians are somehow exempt from the actions of their governments. In this case the German government was trying to forcibly take over all of Europe and was exterminating many people in the process. In order to do this they needed the support of their civilian population. Whether the support was given willingly is irrelevant, as it is still there to allow that government to further its goals. As such this makes them valid targets. And if 40,000 deaths on the enemy’s side save 1 on our side then I’m all for it if there is no other better way to accomplish the goal of stopping whatever war you’re involved in.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kalt-you-bigoted-piece-of-shit/176462/142 "2003-06-14T00:23:21Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \*  
> Earn, win - semantical nattering on.

Ah, but don’t put the word “win” (or any other word, for that matter) in quotes and state or imply that’s what the person said _unless he actually said that exact word or phrase_. It’s hardy a matter of mere “semantical nattering.” (see how easy it is to use quotes properly? Practice in your spare time)

And the rest of your post just says how foolish I am, which I find entertaining, though uninformative.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kalt-you-bigoted-piece-of-shit/176462/143 "2003-06-14T08:18:41Z")

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What the hell? I don’t remember ever arguing that the IRA wasn’t a terrorist organiza…

Oh, **Mille_n_**.

Never mind.

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