# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/221 "2024-08-03T02:24:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Today’s economic report is bad news for Harris, though. What, that unemployment is up? Naw. Unemployment has been extremely low for the past few years. The economy has been pretty healthy. Inflation has been easing off lately. But none of that seems to matter because there’s still this _perception_ that the economy is bad, and that’s what’s important. So we see that unemployment has gone up, and that has hurt stock prices, and the economy is hurting a bit. These are facts. But… [https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2024/07/30/consumer-confidence-ticked-up-in-july](https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2024/07/30/consumer-confidence-ticked-up-in-july) So people **feel** better about the economy. Ignore facts, in politics those don’t matter. This won’t hurt Kamala at all. Remember that it goes both ways. It’s irrational to declare that Biden/Harris are in trouble because the perception of the economy is bad despite the numbers showing otherwise, and then say that Biden/Harris are in trouble because the numbers are bad despite the perception being good. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/222 "2024-08-03T07:05:54Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Today’s economic report is bad news for Harris, The economy is great. There are always fluctuations., ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/223 "2024-08-03T07:07:16Z")
Actually, this report may spur the Fed to cut interest rates which could help people’s perception of the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/224 "2024-08-03T08:01:08Z")
Yeah, it’s weird, but it could end up making the economy look better to voters. We had a long discussion on the subject here in P&E: > [@It's the economy stupid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-economy-stupid/988866): > > Famous line by James Carville, during the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign. I was living in Little Rock during that time and met Carville at lunch one day at a downtown eatery. Interesting man and strategist. He was right, and I believe his axiom still holds a lot of water. If so, I don’t believe it’s going to bode well for Biden. ““Our economy is the lowest it’s been in god knows how long,” said a Hispanic respondent who lives in New Jersey. “We keep [sending] money to Ukraine and othe… Often people expressed frustration that polls were showing that everyone thought the economy was a disaster, even if the facts were otherwise. If that’s flipping the other way, it would be great timing. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/225 "2024-08-03T09:58:51Z")
Now that Harris is officially the nominee, can we start speculating about the convention? Do you think she’ll get some huge star(s) to perform? I mean, it’s no Kid Rock but dare we hope for Beyonce or T Swift? Will there be an appearance on SNL? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/226 "2024-08-03T10:24:26Z")
I don’t think she has time for SNL. Maybe if her VP. is someone who can handle it they can go. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/227 "2024-08-03T10:39:44Z")
Looks like Maya Rudolph will be getting more work, certainly. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vwUMxShUYg4/maxresdefault.jpg "The Best of Maya Rudolph as Kamala Harris on SNL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwUMxShUYg4) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/228 "2024-08-03T11:04:38Z")
An interesting note in that article-she might do very well in Nevada. I wonder if there are places the Biden campaign had written off that Harris might succeed. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/229 "2024-08-03T11:06:30Z")
Georgia? Arizona? Maybe North Carolina? I doubt the Biden campaign had exactly “written them off,” but the post-debate polling seemed to be trending dire in these states, and would have likely forced Biden to just concentrate on PA, WI, and MI (not that Harris can take those states for granted, mind you). ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/230 "2024-08-03T12:38:21Z")
I just hope they don’t forget Virginia. They last poll here was tied but I haven’t seen any since she became the candidate. We need to keep VA blue. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/231 "2024-08-03T16:00:54Z")
Trump announces that he and Harris have agreed to a debate on Fox on September 4 to replace the previously scheduled ABC debate on September 10. Harris’ campaign has no idea what he’s talking about. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/03/trump-harris-debate-abc-fox/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/03/trump-harris-debate-abc-fox/) ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/232 "2024-08-03T16:21:36Z")
Looks to me like a lame attempt to turn the “too chicken to debate” idea back on Harris. If she doesn’t go along with this newly created Fox debate DJT will just start bleating that she’s scared to debate him. I hope Fox comes out and says they have no idea what he’s talking about but Donald better watch out - I think the Harris campaign might decide to go along with it given a few tweaks. I’m rather confident she can wipe the floor with him even with Fox moderators asking the questions. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/233 "2024-08-03T16:49:26Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Trump announces that he and Harris have agreed to a debate on Fox on September 4 to replace the previously scheduled ABC debate on September 10. Harris’ campaign has no idea what he’s talking about. Evidently, neither did Fox News. From Jeff Tiedrich’s newsletter: > **Fox News has not proposed any such debate.** they haven’t set a date, or named moderators, or set a location — **or any fucking thing**. the only thing actual fact in Donny’s post is that he’s chickening out of his already-agreed-upon debate with Kamala on September 10th. **the rest of it is just bullshit —** but that didn’t stop the worthless scribblers of the corporate-controlled media from **uncritically swallowing this jungle-swamp fever-dream.** ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/234 "2024-08-03T16:55:12Z")
I think he also mentioned something about a massive arena audience at the debate. He’s just fantasizing at this point ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/235 "2024-08-03T16:56:40Z")
He wants Kamala to debate him at a Trump rally. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/236 "2024-08-03T16:57:10Z")
And now the NYTimes has changed its reporting to > # Trump Backs Out of ABC Debate and Proposes One With Harris on Fox > > According to Mr. Trump’s post on social media, the previously scheduled debate to be hosted by ABC News was “terminated” once President Biden dropped out of the race. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/237 "2024-08-03T16:59:48Z")
More from the above NYTimes article: > “Donald Trump is running scared and trying to back out of the debate he already agreed to and running straight to Fox News to bail him out. He needs to stop playing games and show up to the debate he already committed to on Sept. 10,” Michael Tyler, the Harris campaign’s communications director said in a statement. He added: “We’re happy to discuss further debates after the one both campaigns have already agreed to. Mr. Anytime, anywhere, anyplace should have no problem with that unless he’s too scared to show up on the 10th.” I love the part about “running scared”. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/238 "2024-08-03T17:01:04Z")
I have never seen a candidate surpass 400 electoral votes in my lifetime. Now I need to just wait three more months. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/239 "2024-08-03T17:23:39Z")
It’s been conflictingly reported that Trump has “proposed” a new debate with Harris and that he announced that the two campaigns have agreed on the new debate. Below is the actual Truth Social post, where he seems to be saying that he’s unilaterally agreed with Fox News on the timing and terms of a new debate with no mention of reaching agreement with or even discussing with the Harris campaign. > **[Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112896042195717073)** > > I have agreed with FoxNews to debate Kamala Harris on Wednesday, September 4th. The Debate was previously scheduled against Sleepy Joe Biden on ABC, but has been terminated in that Biden will no longer be a participant, and I am in litigation against... ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/240 "2024-08-03T17:24:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I have never seen a candidate surpass 400 electoral votes in my lifetime. So you obviously weren’t alive in 1964, or 1972, or 1980. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=13)