# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2404 "2024-11-05T21:04:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’d like to go on record that Harris has run a nearly flawless campaign – I can’t think of a single big mistake. I agree there have been no mistakes. A well run campaign from the beginning. Any negatives were manufactured nothingburgers like McDonaldsgate. I’m just afraid the campaign didn’t go hard enough. It’s easy to get your message out to your supporters at a rally. They could have made a hundred ads just highlighting the crazy shit Trump said. I didn’t see an ad clearly stating Trump caused problems at the border by getting the bipartisan bill killed. The message about getting prices down was weak. The ads about Trumps enemies list didn’t go far enough. There is an over abundance of material against Trump and I barely saw them use any of it. > [@Spoons](#): > > No problem. Here you go: > > [Philly DA says city prepared to address any Election Day issues – NBC10 Philadelphia](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/f-around-and-find-out-philly-da-election-day-concerns/4017882/) Great, now he decides to act tough. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2405 "2024-11-05T21:04:53Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Especially if you point out anything they are actually saying or doing instead of lying in their favor. Nobody said there would be fact-checking! It’s totally unfair to point out my lies! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2406 "2024-11-05T21:20:14Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I didn’t see an ad clearly stating Trump caused problems at the border by getting the bipartisan bill killed. Or you forgot about it? This was from 3 months ago. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/voOgm3kTXi0/maxresdefault.jpg "NEW VIDEO: Harris for President Highlights Trump’s Failure to Secure Our Southern Border") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voOgm3kTXi0) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2407 "2024-11-05T21:45:29Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > I didn’t see an ad clearly stating Trump caused problems at the border by getting the bipartisan bill killed. > > Or you forgot about it? This was from 3 months ago. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voOgm3kTXi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voOgm3kTXi0) Was that ever on tv? I never saw it and it doesn’t seem to be tv commercial length and no “I approved this message.” I would have loved to have seen it broadcast often. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2408 "2024-11-05T21:45:40Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > IF Kamala were to lose [goes outside, turns around 3 times and spits] it would mean: > > Fundraising doesn’t matter > Endorsements don’t matter Trump has endorsements from a number of immensely influential people. Elon Musk is worth more than any ten politicians; for all his weird and irritating nature, millions of people worship the guy for some reason. Joe Rogan speaks every week to eight times as many people as watch Saturday Night Live, and Trump got Rogan while Harris got SNL. He got the most popular third party candidate, a guy very influential online with health conspiracy and anti-vaccine cranks, to join his campaign. What a Trump win might mean is that where you get your endorsements has changed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2409 "2024-11-05T21:59:53Z")
Elon Musk and Joe Rogan are on the same level as Taylor Swift and Beyonce. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2410 "2024-11-05T22:01:54Z")
Jay Kuo with his Election Day wrap-up: > **[Common Sense Says She Wins](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/common-sense-says-she-wins)** > > I’ll see your polling averages and raise you ten reasons I think she’s got this. His ten reasons in a nutshell – pull quotes are from Kuo’s article: - **1. The Gender Gap:**" … the Dobbs decision … remains the defining feature of this election, as it was in the midterms and most special elections since 2022." - **2. Older women voters:** “Older women have had it with Trump and are turning out in droves to punish him for the Dobbs decision.” - **3. Enthusiasm favors Democrats:** “Trump has had trouble filling his rallies in the battleground states and people are leaving them early … Meanwhile, Harris is breaking records and drawing capacity crowds. It’s anecdotal, but the vibe is there for voters to see.” - **4. The favorability factor:** “She went from a net double digit negative favorability rating to positive, all in just a few weeks … Meanwhile, Trump has remained in negative territory.” - **5. The Latino vote:** “The blowback from the Latino community has been strong, and it is shifting undecided voters.” - **6. The youth vote:** “Reports this morning already confirm long lines to vote across universities in the battleground states. It certainly does not look like young voters are sitting this one out.” - **7. Closing weak v. closing strong:**" … Trump’s final weeks have been anemic and disorganized … Harris has drawn huge crowds with her message of hope and unity with a focus upon the future. This has the effect of making her the “change” candidate … For late-deciding voters, this difference in vibe can mean everything, since they tend to be lower information and lower propensity. - **8. The Ground Game:**" … Harris campaign has been running a supercharged one based on traditional door-knocking, phone banking and getting out the vote … The Trump campaign outsourced its ground game to organizations with little to no experience … Those groups completely dropped the ball, and the GOP has been basically nowhere on the ground in the swing states." - **9. Trump has bet on young male voters:** “Despite all of Trump’s appearances with right-wing podcasters, streamers and fans of extreme sports, young men seem to have taken a collective yawn to the election. Instead, young women have outpaced young men in early voting and first time voting.” - **10. About those polls:** “It is wrong to assume 2024 will be like 2020 or 2016, or even 2022. This election in 2024 will be about what the voters think _today_.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2411 "2024-11-05T22:08:04Z")
That about covers my reasons for unwavering optimism. Thanks for posting! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2412 "2024-11-05T22:12:39Z")
From **bordelond** ’s quote by Jay Kuo: > [@bordelond](#): > > **9. Trump has bet on young male voters:** “Despite all of Trump’s appearances with right-wing podcasters, streamers and fans of extreme sports, young men seem to have taken a collective yawn to the election. Instead, young women have outpaced young men in early voting and first time voting.” I’ve got CNN on, and they had, a little while ago, an interview with a young woman. She was 18, and this was her first time voting. She and her friends were all excited and eager to vote. Anecdotal only, but having seen that interview, and read Kuo’s remark in that regard, I found it interesting. And I’ll add my thanks for posting that list. Very interesting and informative! ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2413 "2024-11-05T22:17:46Z")
This was exactly the reasoned optimism I needed (rightly or wrongly) for the next few hours until actual data starts coming in, thanks for that (and time for me to log off on that note, until then!) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2414 "2024-11-05T22:24:07Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I would have loved to have seen it broadcast often. Then having it on the internet is so much better than TV. This isn’t the 90s. Here is an article about her campaign releasing the ad: [_The Hill_: Harris campaign unveils ad hitting Trump back over the border](https://thehill.com/homenews/4801766-kamala-harris-donald-trump-border/) Note that it was released a week before Harris was officially certified as the nominee, so her campaign was not messing around. This has literally been part of her message since the beginning. And the reason I knew to look for this ad is because I remember it, because I saw it when it came out, and it was quite memorable for how direct and important its message was. It absolutely got out there and was seen. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2415 "2024-11-05T22:26:45Z")
Yeah, the embrace of modern messaging is heartening to see. Yes, older voters come out in bigger proportion but that doesn’t mean ignoring everybody else. If the Harris campaign did everything that every Doper would have wanted to see (even the bits that contradict the other bits), that would truly be a confused, discombobulated mess. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2416 "2024-11-05T22:26:57Z")
NM wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2417 "2024-11-05T22:32:11Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > **5. The Latino vote:** “The blowback from the Latino community has been strong, and it is shifting undecided voters.” Florida is one of the states that typically gets its totals out fastest (Eastern time zone plus rules that permit the count to happen fast). Florida has a lot of Spanish-speaking population; mostly people of Cuban and Puerto Rican background. **Osceola County** is heavily PR—so that’s a good one to look for when the talking heads break down the Florida vote by county. It might give us an idea of how the MSG debacle may have helped Harris/hurt Trump. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I just think the Democrats need their own version of Project 2025 if we don’t have it already. Not the weirdness, just the level of organization. I suppose it lacks the detail we’d prefer to see, but the Dem Project 2025 is basically Harris’ “THE OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY.” That, plus add in some Fairness and Justice. (I do know what you mean, though.) > [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: > There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. > There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.” -Frank Wilhoit (the composer, not the political scientist with the same name) That’s still one of the most succinct–and devastating–commentaries on the right that’s ever been uttered. (Weird that the guy who said it is apparently _completely unrelated_ to the political science guy with so similar a name.) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2418 "2024-11-05T22:37:48Z")
538’s final call gives Harris the nod – 50-49: > **[Who Is Favored To Win The 2024 Presidential Election?](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/)** > > 538’s 2024 presidential election forecast model showing Democrat Kamala Harris’s and Republican Donald Trump’s chances of winning. > 538’s final forecast for the presidential race between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump is officially out, and it’s a real nail-biter. Our model gives Harris a 50 out of 100 chance of winning the majority of Electoral College votes. Our model gives Trump a 49 out of 100 chance. [segue] > [@Sherrerd](#): > > That’s still one of the most succinct–and devastating–commentaries on the right that’s ever been uttered. IMHO, that one, and: > “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” –John Kenneth Galbraith ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2419 "2024-11-05T22:43:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I suppose it lacks the detail we’d prefer to see, but the Dem Project 2025 is basically Harris’ “THE OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY.” That, plus add in some Fairness and Justice. (I do know what you mean, though.) Pretty much this. It’s all that can really be expected. It’s easy to come up with an organized plan when you are tailoring it to a monoculture. Project 2025 is great for a narrow slice of the population and bad to terrible for everybody else. A Dem version has to be great for everybody and terrible for few or preferably none. Still something it would be good to hope for but it sets very different expectations for any prospective organizers. It’s the ‘problem’ with having an inclusive party in the first place - it’s hard to have a high level of organization and commonality under such a big tent. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2420 "2024-11-05T22:44:50Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > IMHO, that one, and: > > > “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” > > –John Kenneth Galbraith Yeah, the old economist didn’t mince words. Fair to add the newest of the commentaries, maybe: > [@](#): > > “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” > —David Frum ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2421 "2024-11-05T22:47:26Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s easy to come up with an organized plan when you are tailoring it to a monoculture. Project 2025 is great for a narrow slice of the population and bad to terrible for everybody else. A Dem version has to be great for everybody and terrible for few or preferably none. > > Still something it would be good to hope for but it sets very different expectations for any prospective organizers. It’s the ‘problem’ with having an inclusive party in the first place - it’s hard to have a high level of organization and commonality under such a big tent. Excellent points. Detailed plans don’t allow for the messy reality that is a heterogeneous and multivariate society. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2422 "2024-11-05T22:47:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > I would have loved to have seen it broadcast often. > > Then having it on the internet is so much better than TV. This isn’t the 90s. > > Here is an article about her campaign releasing the ad: > > [_The Hill_: Harris campaign unveils ad hitting Trump back over the border](https://thehill.com/homenews/4801766-kamala-harris-donald-trump-border/) > > Note that it was released a week before Harris was officially certified as the nominee, so her campaign was not messing around. This has literally been part of her message since the beginning. > > And the reason I knew to look for this ad is because I remember it, because I saw it when it came out, and it was quite memorable for how direct and important its message was. It absolutely got out there and was seen. Better? I’m not sure. It’s certainly still evolving. The key is to get the message out to not only those whose vote you already have. With the way internet algorithms work I’m not sure how effective internet only ads are. They certainly hit those who are already in your camp. I don’t think that’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2423 "2024-11-05T22:50:23Z")
Turnout is the key, not winning hearts or minds. If the message reaches people who are receptive but perhaps not registered or perhaps non-voters, and it can get them to come out to vote, that’s the goal. Reaching people who aren’t in your camp and unlikely to ever be in your camp is a very expensive way to get very few votes. Might even convince some of them to come out to vote for the other guy. Not a great plan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=121)