# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/361 "2024-08-08T14:18:26Z")
Good news, and supports the theory that RFK et al are hurting Trump more than Harris at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/362 "2024-08-08T15:58:07Z")
I think this goes here, not worth starting a new thread: What is up with the Harris campaign and the Teamsters? > **[Kamala Harris must earn our backing, says Teamsters’ Irish-American boss](https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/kamala-harris-must-earn-our-backing-says-teamsters-irish-american-boss-kwxnm7wd8)** > > The vice-president needs to meet the Teamsters as a matter of priority if she wants to secure the union’s endorsement for president, its boss has warned In short: -Teamster president Sean O’Brien spoke at the RNC and is scheduled to speak at the DNC. -Teamsters are voting on an endorsement through the month of August (so won’t have made an endorsement by the DNC) -O’Brien says that Harris hasn’t responded to his request for a roundtable discussion with rank-and-file members, unlike every other candidate (including Biden) who was invited. -O’Brien says that the 1.3 MILLION Teamsters are split 50-50 on which party to support. Given all these facts, doesn’t it seem like Harris would be putting energy into making nice with them? I mean, I get being pissed off that O’Brien spoke at the RNC, but surely that’s not a good reason to snub him. Am I missing something? Or is Harris missing a trick? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/363 "2024-08-08T16:36:12Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [Here is a clip](https://s9e.github.io/iframe/2/threads.min.html#C-YtdIiy4HB) that purports to be H&W arriving in Detroit on AF2. > > If that is real and I am with Secret Service, there used to be hair where those bloody patches on my scalp are. This appears legit. Jay Kuo is a partisan liberal, but he works to corrobate the items featured on his Substack. Both the video you linked and another large-crowd video from Eau Claire, WI were featured in **[today’s _Status Kuo_](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/stalking-and-squawking)**. Same link: > Trump used to mock Democrats and Biden for not holding big rallies, but those days are no more. The numbers in attendance are sky high, and the local press coverage is comprehensive. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/364 "2024-08-08T16:39:58Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I can’t hear the heckler at all on that clip. Do we know what he was saying ? Jay Kuo quotes the _New York Times_, same link as the previous post (my emphasis): > The protestors had begun chanting, **“Kamala! Kamala! You can’t hide! We won’t vote for genocide!”** As the _New York Times_ reported, > > > When protesters first interrupted Vice President Kamala Harris at a rally in Detroit on Wednesday evening, she smiled, with a gentle corrective. “I am speaking now.” > > > > But as the disruption continued, her patience ran thin. “You know what?” Ms. Harris said, with the sudden force and resolve of a parent in the driver’s seat who has _had it_ . “If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I’m speaking.” > > Harris had also [met and spoken privately](https://x.com/grace_panetta/status/1821369099428966511?s=61&t=dlYuBcwzZXmET9Xd_RRdaQ) with Uncommitted National Movement founders Layla Elabed and Abbas Alawieh, where the Vice President shared her sympathies, called the loss of life in Gaza “horrific,” and expressed an openness to discuss the idea of an arms embargo. The founders stated, following the meeting, that it was clear Harris “could lead our country’s Gaza policy to a more humane place.” > > To claim Harris has disrespected the protestors, following both this meeting and her earlier polite admonition, ignores these facts. The moment, however, did solidify her toughness in the eyes of many voters who were concerned she might not stand up to the far left of the party and its often disruptive tactics. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/365 "2024-08-08T17:06:37Z")
An arms embargo will be a nonstarter and she is being disingenuous to say she is open to discussing it. Israel and Iran are on cusp of all out war, with the poor citizens of Lebanon to be the people to suffer this time. There is zero chance that the US would not keep Israel fully equipped for that. The less equipped Israel is the more likely the US is to get pulled in directly. Carriers moved in place already. She can (and I think should) promise other levers that I am sure exists, but pressuring Israel with actions that put them at existential risk, and that embolden Iran, will not happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/366 "2024-08-08T17:19:06Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Married 20 years now. No truer words have been spoken. It’s not that she’s mad, it’s that she’s usually right. Hey, my wife and I just passed 20 years ago a week ago. Jim Gaffigan got it right: “My wife loves me very much, but just about once a week she gives me a look that say, ‘Uh, Sorry but I’m gonna have to let you go.’” ---
**Author:** ![raspberry\_hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@raspberry\_hunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raspberry_hunter)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/367 "2024-08-08T17:38:15Z")
Oh cool. I don’t think there’s any way that Utah could possibly flip to Harris – if the state didn’t go for McMullin over Trump in 2016, it’s not going to go for Harris over Trump in 2024 – but if enough LDS individuals flip in Arizona and Nevada that could make a difference for Harris, because LDS are very conscientious and they will actually go out and vote. Interestingly – and I didn’t know this until recently; I think I wasn’t at church that day – the church leadership caused [this to be read in church](https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2023/6/6/23751117/first-presidency-letter-emphasizes-participation-in-elections-reaffirms-political-neutrality/) last year (2023): > [@First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints](#): > > Members should also study candidates carefully and vote for those who have demonstrated integrity, compassion, and service to others, regardless of party affiliation. Merely voting a straight ticket or voting based on “tradition” without careful study of candidates and their positions on important issues is a threat to democracy and inconsistent with revealed standards… I couldn’t believe it when I found that out. In church-speak that’s like practically yelling “I know you’re Republican (\*), I’m Republican too, but don’t vote for Trump just because he’s there, just look at the guy!” Now, will a letter sent more than a year ago make a difference now? Who knows. (I also don’t anticipate that they’ll send another letter out, but I would love them to prove me wrong.) (\*) Not all LDS, of course! But very much a majority. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/368 "2024-08-08T17:58:08Z")
On Xitter there’s a lot of people who said this wrecked her chances to win Michigan, because the large Arab community there won’t support her. Personally, I doubt it will have that big effect but I really don’t know much about Michigan politics. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/369 "2024-08-08T18:07:01Z")
Neither do they? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/370 "2024-08-08T18:14:31Z")
Yeah, over one “hey, I’m talking here”? The Xitters are just xitting. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/371 "2024-08-08T18:53:26Z")
Well let’s try to put some numbers on it. Worst case in MI, per the Arab American Institute, back when it was Biden: > **[Arab Americans In Key States Poll: Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia](https://www.aaiusa.org/library/keystatespoll)** > > President Biden continues to receive less than 20% of the Arab American vote—which stands in sharp contrast to the nearly 60% of the Arab American vote he received in 2020. After 8 months of Israel’s relentless assault on Palestinians in Gaza, 88% of... Quoting out of order. First is the max loss. Second what they claim would win them back. > [@](#): > > **When comparing this poll’s expected results in November 2024 with the Arab American vote in 2020, we see a significant potential loss for President Biden of 177,000 votes in these four key states—with 91,000 of this possible loss occurring in Michigan alone.** … > > … In two separate questions, when asked if the president were to demand an immediate ceasefire and unimpeded humanitarian aid into Gaza or if he were to suspend diplomatic support and arms shipments to Israel until they implement a ceasefire and withdraw forces from Gaza, 60% of Arab Americans say they would be more likely to vote for him in November. This includes 80% and 79% of Arab American Democrats respectively. It also includes 82% of those who currently say they are unsure about voting in November. This could bring the Biden/Trump match-up numbers to a point where they are more favorable for Biden than they were in 2020, with Biden at 60% and Trump at 22%—compared with the 59%-35% in 2020 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/372 "2024-08-08T19:21:59Z")
Barrons is reporting that ABC has confirmed a Trump/Harris debate September 10th. > **[ABC Confirms Trump-Harris Presidential Debate On September 10](https://www.barrons.com/news/abc-confirms-trump-harris-presidential-debate-on-september-10-0def29d7)** > > ABC will host a presidential debate between Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democrat Kamala Harris on September 10, the US television network confirmed on Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/373 "2024-08-08T19:28:38Z")
Isn’t that the one that he’d backed out of previously? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/374 "2024-08-08T19:33:12Z")
Yes, he tried to move to Foxnews. She was planning to show up to the ABC one, which he had already agreed to, even if he wasn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/375 "2024-08-08T19:37:24Z")
He has kind of maximized his weak quotient hasn’t he? Tantrum ignored and he complies. I won’t show! Do this one instead! I don’t need to and you can’t make me! Okay. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/376 "2024-08-08T21:06:17Z")
[NBC News](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-election-live-updates-rcna164955#rcrd51507) is stating this was a Harris campaign press release re: Trump’s press conference today. If so\*, fast and funny. \*\*_I can’t find the original source - can anyone confirm it?_. This is the first page…there is more to it, though: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUfCaPIXYAAzo6c?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUfCaPIXYAAzo6c?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/377 "2024-08-08T21:16:40Z")
[Feel-good story](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/07/politics/video/kamala-harris-tamps-down-trump-lock-him-up-chants-rally-src-digvid) of the day. They present 3 occasions where her crowd was chanting “LOCK HIM UP!” and she said, _look, that is not what we are about; we will let the courts handle that; we are about fighting for the future_. She is working on slowly moving the discussion off of Individual-ONE and onto real issues. That is a good sign. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/378 "2024-08-08T21:27:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > O’Brien says that the 1.3 MILLION Teamsters are split 50-50 on which party to support. They want the solidly anti-union GOP?!? > [@DSeid](#): > > Quoting out of order. First is the max loss. Second what they claim would win them back. So, they dont want the team that _tries_ to help Gaza, and instead wants trump who 100% supports anything Netanyahu does? How does this make sense? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/379 "2024-08-08T21:33:34Z")
People collectively often don’t make sense. As far as the Teamsters, hard to be more blue collar and MAGA is largely blue collar. Doesn’t seem to matter that even when the Republicans were rational, they were basically anti-union. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/380 "2024-08-08T21:45:50Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > As far as the Teamsters Who previously supported Nixon in ‘72 and Reagan in ‘84 (yes even after the ATC mass firing). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=20)