# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/607 "2024-08-21T05:56:07Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > “_Well, that was weird. But, as to the actual question …_” Oh yeah… 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/608 "2024-08-21T06:33:17Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I’m still not convinced a good debate performance can win a candidate an election. But I’m certain a bad performance can lose one. And that’s why a great debater does not make themselves look good, they make their opponent look bad. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/609 "2024-08-21T16:25:30Z")
yes, it was “please proceed, govenor…” i actually yelled “trap” “traaaap!!” at the tv. romney fell into the trap. were i giving advice for the debate, i would just say, answer the question and listen to what the other person says. loading up on facts and figures is not going to work with trump. people don’t tune for that. they tune into to see how you come across, do you speak to them. telling them statistics isn’t what moves them when they believe the statistic isn’t real in their life. go with feelings over cold facts. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/610 "2024-08-21T16:37:12Z")
There’s also the issue that lots of people don’t understand statistics. They think they have a 50/50 chance to win the lottery since there are only two outcomes: win or lose. Telling someone like that a stat about how an economic indicator rose by 20% is useless. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/611 "2024-08-22T03:06:33Z")
> **[Democrats In Array](https://www.thebulwark.com/p/democrats-in-array)** > > The only fireworks at the Democratic convention so far have been the feel-good variety. not really a particularly interesting piece, but that headline ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/612 "2024-08-22T03:14:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > but that headline It took me a bit to process it. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/613 "2024-08-22T14:55:57Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > but that headline Yeah. Democrats, astonishingly, fell in love _and_ in line. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/614 "2024-08-22T15:05:27Z")
brilliant headline! i have gone from being nauseated about the election outcome to hopeful and yep, a bit joyful. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/615 "2024-08-22T16:24:16Z")
How wrecked are we gonna be if she loses? I mean, I was a mess in 2016 (as were probably every one of us), but I didn’t feel a third of the excitement I feel for Clinton-Kaine as I do for Harris-Walz. I felt motivated to keep Trump out in 2016, but now I feel hyper-motivated to get Harris-Walz _in_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/616 "2024-08-22T16:25:13Z")
But in 2016 I really didn’t think it was possible Trump would win. Now I do. I think that will mitigate some of the horror if it passes. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/617 "2024-08-22T16:27:47Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I mean, I was a mess in 2016 (as were probably every one of us), but I didn’t feel a third of the excitement I feel for Clinton-Kaine as I do for Harris-Walz. I felt motivated to keep Trump out in 2016, but now I feel hyper-motivated to get Harris-Walz _in_. I liked the 2016 Clinton, but I thought she was a lock to win. So, more of a shock than if Harris loses this time, but I think this loss would be worse overall. Harris Walz are fantastic. Trump went from terrible to _so much worse_ over the past 8 years. If Trump is elected, I will be much more angry at the voters than I was in 2016. From last night, “A vote for Harris doesn’t make you a Democrat, it makes you a patriot.” If that doesn’t carry the day, we’re screwed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/618 "2024-08-22T17:09:23Z")
> **Strong hijack potential hidden as also ignore modnote from earlier.** > > > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > > > I didn’t feel a third of the excitement I feel for Clinton-Kaine as I do for Harris-Walz > > Ms Clinton was too entrenched and too arrogant, but, more importantly, Tim Kaine was a cypher. If you asked 500 people who Ms Clinton’s running mate in '16 was, maybe 3 of them would remember. But probably not even that many. Walz is very likeable and popular and seems to almost cleave to Ms Harris all the time. And she acts like she is proud of him in a way that is very much not like the apparent placeholder role that Kaine had. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/619 "2024-08-22T17:12:35Z")
Kaine was a “who?” from the moment he was picked. I don’t remember anything about him, other than that he was her VP choice. Walz has firmly established who he is and what he stands for, in his speeches and in his past history. Even if Trump wins, I’ll remember Walz; he won’t be a “who?” trivia question. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/620 "2024-08-22T17:16:10Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/621 "2024-08-22T17:18:28Z")
> [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election/1004571/26): > > Moderating: Correct, no one turn this into a rehash of Hillary Clinton thread. @eschereal, that is a very iffy post. I won’t ban you from the thread, but I thought about it. I’m just going to hide your entire post. **Moderating** **Do not rehash Hillary Clinton’s 2016 run in this thread.** ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/622 "2024-08-22T17:19:39Z")
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**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/623 "2024-08-22T17:43:23Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Do not rehash Hillary Clinton’s 2016 run in this thread. Not only is such rehashing a distracting waste of time on a beaten-to-death topic, it indulges in the futility of Clemenceau’s observation: that “generals always prepare to fight the last war” – which, it appears, Trump/Vance are enmeshed in doing. Meanwhile, Harris/Walz have, yes, taken note of the lessons of the last two election cycles but are proceeding with a campaign focused on this time, this war. It’s one reason why “We’re not going back” is such a powerful slogan. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/624 "2024-08-22T22:14:09Z")
New poll showing Harris up by 6% overall with RFK in and 4% with him out. > **[The Presidential Race Remains Stable; Harris +6 — Outward Intelligence](https://www.outwardintelligence.com/pulse/presidential-race-remains-stable)** > > Vice President Harris retains a 6 point lead over Former President Trump among likely voters. No state details sadly. [An NC poll has Harris up by 1%](https://www.highpoint.edu/blog/2024/08/hpu-poll-north-carolina-presidential-race-remains-close/) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/625 "2024-08-22T22:20:53Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > New poll showing Harris up by 6% overall with RFK in and 4% with him out. But what’s happening in Pennsylvania? That’s the one to watch. Last I checked, Trump was up by a slim margin there. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/626 "2024-08-22T22:22:06Z")
Yes, thank you for stating the obvious. I specifically wrote > [@What\_Exit](#): > > No state details sadly. Weird you chose not to quote that. I posted the most recent Pennsy polls a few days ago, nothing newer yet. It is frighteningly close right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=32)