# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/687 "2024-08-26T13:15:57Z")
Oh, my fault. I saw the “subscribe to the WP” thing and simply assumed. Sorry! I’ll look more closely next time. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/688 "2024-08-26T13:15:58Z")
I can see Trump wanting them off. If he talkd over her, he looks like a bully to some people, especially if she puts him in his place when he tries. But if he doesn’t talk over her, he looks weak to other people, who want to see him “dominate”. Muted mics make the issue moot. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/689 "2024-08-26T13:25:26Z")
Also mute. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/690 "2024-08-26T13:28:08Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I can see Trump wanting them off. If he talkd over her, he looks like a bully to some people, especially if she puts him in his place when he tries. But if he doesn’t talk over her, he looks weak to other people, who want to see him “dominate”. Muted mics make the issue moot. I can see his handlers wanting them off–but I don’t think Trump has ever fretted about whether he comes across as a bully. > [@MandaJo](#): > > Muted mics make the issue moot. Try saying that three times fast. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/691 "2024-08-26T13:34:33Z")
I would not be surprised if Harris is hoping to get a chance to do her “I am speaking now.” thing, and show, not tell, how she stands up to bullies and is strong. Yes those of us her follow political news have heard you do it before, including this cycle shutting down heckling at a rally, but it wouldn’t be a rerun to many tuning in for the first time. Also the more “the show” is his bad behavior and her standing up to it, the less time she has to spend getting pinned down on policy specifics (any specifics are something for some segment to object to; better to be less than more specific with policies if you can). Still I personally would prefer the muted mics format. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/692 "2024-08-26T13:38:00Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Trump apparently already putting out the feelers for backing out of the Sep 10 debate Orange is the new Yellow. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/693 "2024-08-26T14:06:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I would not be surprised if Harris is hoping to get a chance to do her “I am speaking now.” thing, and show, not tell, how she stands up to bullies and is strong. Right, the debate will be won or lost based on behavior, not policies. This is 90% Harris wanting Trump to constantly interrupt while she looks presidential, and 10% Harris throwing in a couple zingers while he’s speaking in hopes of promoting a meltdown. I’m sure it’s his campaign complaining about it, not Trump himself. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/694 "2024-08-26T14:19:07Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > Trump apparently already putting out the feelers for backing out of the Sep 10 debate > > Orange is the new Yellow. If he does back out, it’s certainly going to make him look afraid to face her. (Because it’ll be true.) Seems to me that there’s a pretty strong attack line for the Harris campaign there, if he ducks the debate. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/695 "2024-08-26T14:25:39Z")
[Angus Reid Global](https://angusreid.org/us-election-polling-harris-trump-democratic-national-convention/) August 19-23 & [ActiVote](https://www.activote.net/harris-has-steady-lead/) August 15-23 polls both put {\color{blue}\mathbf{Harris}} +5% . ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/696 "2024-08-26T14:33:00Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m sure it’s his campaign complaining about it, not Trump himself. With the added benefit of being able for her team to bait him by calling him chicken and watch him respond like the schoolyard bully that he is. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/697 "2024-08-26T14:37:55Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Labor Day is one week from now. I don’t see the polling shifting or suddenly becoming more predictive in such a short time. If you really think it’s not “real information” yet, why do we not possibly need October, at the least? Polls that are in the field after Labor Day. Traditionally Labor Day is when most voters actually start to pay attention to the race, and it’ll be distant enough from the absolute cavalcade of events over the last month for things to settle into where voters actually stand. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/698 "2024-08-26T14:52:59Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I would not be surprised if Harris is hoping to get a chance to do her “I am speaking now.” thing, and show, not tell, how she stands up to bullies and is strong. This makes the most sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/699 "2024-08-26T14:57:55Z")
Me, too. Plus, at this point I don’t question any strategic or tactical decision they make. They’re batting 1.000 so far. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/700 "2024-08-26T15:01:32Z")
To be clear, I don’t think I’m better at politicking than they are. I question this move in the sense of, “What’s going on here?” rather than “They’re doing dumb things.” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/701 "2024-08-26T15:04:13Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I think it’s just straight reverse psychology. Also, to quote **Arrival** , it’s a non-zero sum game. Trump doesn’t know what those are and can’t fathom someone agreeing to something that gives him the same advantage Harris would be getting (because really, who is going to be the one yelling into the mic when it isn’t their turn?). So as far as Trump is concerned, this has to be some attempt at cheating. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/702 "2024-08-26T15:04:21Z")
Good to know…but I am pretty much ignoring all national polls, because the national vote doesn’t determine the winner in the US (I know you know this, but not everyone seems to get it). Ten million more Californians and New Yorkers voting for Harris/Walz doesn’t interest me _in the slightest_. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/703 "2024-08-26T15:11:55Z")
Two comments: First the necessary caution of Angus Reid Global being RV not LVs. Second, last ActiVote report had some here puzzled and speculating about their having Trump _ahead_ in suburban voters 56 to 44, and 50/50 for those with college degrees plus. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, that’s pretty interesting, and goes along with Trump’s lead in suburban areas. I wonder if there are a lot of folks with degrees who pay vague attention to the news, blame Biden for inflation, and kind of end their economic analysis at that point. This time it is back to the more expected Harris 52 to 48 for suburban, and 59 to 41 for college degree plus. Just a point to remember caution when analyzing individual poll subgoups where the n can get small and the noise loud. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/704 "2024-08-26T15:50:27Z")
FWIW on the ABC 538 site PA is listed as up 1.2% for popular vote (yes toss up range) and the up 3.8% national. I don’t think it is too crazy to use that 2.6% difference as a current stand in estimate for the electoral college GOP advantage correction factor when reading individual national polls. So still just a single poll, and not swing state specific, but the ActiVote Harris ahead 5.2 poll would be consistent with PA Harris ahead by 2.6. To be confirmed with aggregated swing state specific polling of course. And that would be a bit of a disappointing convention bump honestly. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/705 "2024-08-26T15:51:54Z")
Poll won’t reflect the bump yet, the time period is too early overall. Later in the week we’ll probably see polls that reflect the bump. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/706 "2024-08-26T15:53:41Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I can see his handlers wanting them off–but I don’t think Trump has ever fretted about whether he comes across as a bully. Reporting from CBS suggests not so much a game of three-dimensional chess as an adventure of **Spy vs. Spy**. - Harris wants open mics so she can fact-check Trump in real time. - Trump wants open mics because he’s Trump. - The story implies that Trump never exactly agreed to a mute button in the first place, and his advisors snuck it in collaborating with Biden’s people. Above all, his handlers don’t want it becoming an issue this close to the debate. - By agreeing with Trump, Harris can keep him either off-balance or overconfident (depending how Trump feels at any given moment - either one works to her advantage.) Just typing this makes my head hurt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=36)