# Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 22, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571 "2024-07-22T00:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1464 "2024-09-24T16:05:07Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > The value would be if the got the rank and file out actively campaigning for a candidate. How often does that happen anymore? That’s the irony. His decision to not endorse is resulting in the local unions ancross the country endorsing and actively campaigning, especially in swing states, like Pennsylvania. His performatively giving a standard lukewarm endorsement would not have accomplished that. There are significant portions of the rank and file who may have been meh before that are now feeling righteously pissed. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/09/19/teamsters-endorsement-harris-trump/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/09/19/teamsters-endorsement-harris-trump/) > Some Democratic strategists say the outpouring of local endorsements for Harris could be more important in influencing how Teamsters turn out to vote than the national union’s decision to abstain. Local unions typically mobilize members directly through workplace conversations, door-knocking, leafleting and mailers. Union politics is ultimately local and retail too. The paradox is the national union abstention may mobilize the ground game better. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1465 "2024-09-24T16:18:46Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I would have thought “president of the most notable union in the US” might have merited a slot. > > Also, the whole article is discouraging. It mentions several local and regional councils that have endorsed Harris (and maybe none have give so far as to endorse Trump) but it also says that Harris isn’t very popular among members. Less popular than Biden. I agree - there were enough downticket politicians, that they coulda given the Teamsters a few minutes, if that woulda garnered an endorsement. Your second paragraph reminds me of when I lived in NW IN. All the R steelworkers who happily went on and on about the horrible unions - except theirs, of course! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1466 "2024-09-24T16:34:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I was hoping it was something like, “Oliver Votescounted” Or Oliver Noneoftheabove. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1467 "2024-09-24T17:56:08Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > they coulda given the Teamsters a few minutes Giving someone who is personally buddy buddy with Trump a spot not knowing what he is going to say? I’d say … nah. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1468 "2024-09-24T19:09:46Z")
Thanks for posting this. I hadn’t seen it. I’m embarrassed to admit I teared up. I’ve never been so tense about an election, and I was plenty tense about the last two. I can’t figure out why the election is so frickin’ close at this point. Trump has shot himself in the foot so many times, he’s wearing Swiss cheese shoes, yet none if it matters. Harris is sane, smart, knowledgeable and experienced. It’s not like Beavis is running against Butthead. I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1469 "2024-09-24T19:43:35Z")
Racism. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1470 "2024-09-24T20:15:50Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Trump has shot himself in the foot so many times, he’s wearing Swiss cheese shoes, yet none if it matters. Just consider how many people wear Crocs; Swiss cheese shoes are appealing to some folks. There’s no accounting for taste in footwear or which politician you support. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1471 "2024-09-24T21:00:21Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I would have thought “president of the most notable union in the US” might have merited a slot. The Teamsters are only the 5th largest Union in the USA. Many Union leaders spoke at the Convention,O’Brien was apparently snubbed as he was a guest of Honor at the Republican Convention. Oh, and more fake antiHarris shit going on- > **[Fact Check: Kamala Harris "hammered" video was edited](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-kamala-harris-hammered-video-was-edited-1958053)** > > Baseless video shared on TikTok alleging Kamala Harris was "hammered" at an event in Georgia went viral. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1472 "2024-09-24T21:04:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Many Union leaders spoke at the Convention,O’Brien was apparently snubbed as he was a guest of Honor at the Republican Convention. The article I read said he approached both the D and the R conventions, and asked to speak. The R’s said “yes” and the D’s said “no”. 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1473 "2024-09-24T21:05:45Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > The article I read said he approached both the D and the R conventions, and asked to speak. The R’s said “yes” and the D’s said “no”. Actually the Dems just never got back to him, and it appears it was due to his showing up at the Republican Convention. But who really knows? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1474 "2024-09-24T21:10:55Z")
Love it. Too bad he dropped an F-bomb and it can’t be played on a lot of platforms - but maybe they’ve got a ‘safe for network TV’ version also. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1475 "2024-09-24T21:49:34Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It also demonstrates that she has more courage than he does when she challenges him and he’s too chicken to take up the challenge. Losing—to a girl especially—is not very manly. Donald is getting his ass kicked by Kamala whether he admits it or not. Yeah. And his followers are having to get better and better at tying themselves into mental knots, in order to excuse him. Donald keeps saying that October 23 is “too late,” ignoring the fact (surprise!) that dozens of modern-day Presidential debates have been held in late October—one on the 28th (in 1980) and three on the 22nd (in 1976, 2012, and 2020). The Dems need to start running ads with chickens on the soundtrack. [https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/presidential-documents-archive-guidebook/presidential-campaigns-debates-and-endorsements-0](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/presidential-documents-archive-guidebook/presidential-campaigns-debates-and-endorsements-0) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1476 "2024-09-24T21:58:43Z")
The two main poll modelers (538 and Nate Silver) have generally shown a discrepancy with 538 leaning more Democratic by several percent. Today they are very close. 538: 54.6% Harris Silver: 54.1% Harris ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1477 "2024-09-24T22:13:47Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I’ve never been so tense about an election, and I was plenty tense about the last two. I can’t figure out why the election is so frickin’ close at this point. Trump has shot himself in the foot so many times … > > I don’t get it. The wry answer is that he is getting support in sympathy for the blood gushing from his shoe. But the cold hard reality is that the words we are hearing are ShitGibbon ShitGibbon **ShitGibbon** Harris Harris Harris. His name is freaking everywhere, all the time. Even she talks about him. He is a raving publicity deluge while she is calm and underexposed. That is _entirely_ why it looks to be so close, and she needs to step in front of him and portray that he is irrelevant and not worth talking about (while not actually ignoring him herself). ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1478 "2024-09-24T22:24:55Z")
One of my Trump neighbors has put out a ton of Halloween decorations, and in the middle of it a Trump sign where he has a bloody ear and is raising his fist. No sense of irony whatsoever. We’re still the only Harris sign on the block despite it being more blue than red. I wonder if people feel intimidated. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1479 "2024-09-24T22:59:16Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Today they are very close. Pretty sure this is because Silver’s model factored in a post convention bounce that Harris didn’t get. That part of the model didn’t really make sense given the circumstances of this election, but it is basically faded now. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1480 "2024-09-24T23:02:44Z")
Very much agree that that is at least a piece of it ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1481 "2024-09-24T23:24:20Z")
This may belong in the polling thread but as the election nears they each progressively give less weight to their own differing “fundamentals” of the race (their punditry) and become more purely poll based. They then will tend to converge. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1482 "2024-09-24T23:27:37Z")
Yes please, no deeper on the mechanics of polling in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1483 "2024-09-25T05:52:14Z")
The Chicago convention went so well, and the pivot from Joe to Kamala so smoothly, I really thought she’d get a noticeable bounce in the polls. Too bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571.md?page=74)