# Kamala Harris's choice of Tim Walz as VP **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352 "2024-08-06T21:19:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/343 "2024-08-10T18:21:36Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I think her hands were tied in that primary run because she had to thread the needle of (a) setting herself apart from the competition without (b) attacking them directly in a way that damaged her connection with and standing in the party. I’d take it a step further; maybe I’m just erring on the side of giving her credit because we know how it turned out, but: what she said and did in 2020 led to her being the VP to a guy who — well, had been the VP, and then ran for president, and then became president. And now, having been the VP, she of course has the nomination locked up and is running for president in 2024. If she’d done something different back then, then maybe that’s — not so, now? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/344 "2024-08-10T19:32:26Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I do not get why this seems to be a “bad thing” in her view (or anyone here). What policies does he have that anyone objects to unless they are conservative? It’s taken as a sign that Harris is too committed to the “woke activist” side of the Party. The premise is that it will scare the centrists away, or demotivate some, especially the independents who don’t like Trump but are also small government or whatever. I don’t really think much of it myself. I think most Dems are proud of the agenda and his results, so they aren’t going to be scared off. > [@BigT](#): > > And this is the other thing I left out: according to most people I talk to, progressivism **is** center left, at best. You don’t get into the actual left until you get into some level of socialism. Just to agree with @BigT and add a cite. > **[Centre-left politics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centre-left_politics&wprov=rarw1)** > > Centre-left politics is the range of left-wing political ideologies that lean closer to the political centre and broadly conform with progressivism. Ideologies of the centre-left include social democracy, social liberalism, and green politics. Ideas commonly supported by the centre-left include welfare capitalism, social justice, liberal internationalism, and multiculturalism. Economically, the centre-left supports a mixed economy in a democratic capitalist system, often including economic in... ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/345 "2024-08-10T19:49:48Z")
Then the charge is that she “ceded” to the mainstream center leaning of the party? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/346 "2024-08-10T20:18:56Z")
It’s all about who is making the charge. Also, apparently there are folks who want a more “centrist” position than the Dems currently hold. Nuts, but it’s all an effect of the Overton Window. “You guys want children to get free meals in school. That’s radical. We want nationwide elimination of abortion. That’s what mainstream Americans want. We need to find middle ground.” ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/347 "2024-08-11T00:29:33Z")
I just saw this - former Minnesota Governor and former pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura has come out criticizing Vance for not showing respect to a fellow veteran. > **[Jesse Ventura rips "rich white boy" Donald Trump as "biggest draft dodger"](https://www.newsweek.com/jesse-ventura-rich-white-boy-donald-trump-draft-dodger-1937398)** > > Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura criticized the Republican presidential nominee in a CNN interview last night. > [@](#): > > Speaking with CNN’s Laura Coates on Friday night, Ventura, criticized the GOP presidential candidate and his running mate, Ohio Senator JD Vance, for their character and values, particularly referencing military service. > > Ventura, who served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, told Coates: “Vance is doing a disservice to himself and a disservice to the United States Marine Corps. I know a lot of great Marines, and Marines show respect, and Vance is not showing respect.” Vance is a Marine veteran who served in Iraq. > > Ventura added: “who does he [Vance] have respect for, Donald Trump—the biggest draft dodger from the Vietnam War, the rich white boy who bought his way out of it.” This is interesting. Ventura is an independent from the Reform Party and then the Independence Party serving as Governor from 1999 to 2003. He’s a self-described fiscal conservative, social liberal. I thought he was a more conservative, but reading his history on wikipedia shows I was mistaken. He joined the Green Party at one point. He has now endorsed Kamala Harris for President. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/348 "2024-08-11T00:59:11Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > don’t even think talking about Trump’s disservice is going low. The man has been very critical of fallen soldiers and heroes like John McCain. Brutal coming from a blatant draft dodger I’m looking forward to a day very soon when I will never again have to hear about what a candidate for office did or didn’t do during Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/349 "2024-08-11T01:00:27Z")
Ventura vs Hogan Golden OIdies Cage Match ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/350 "2024-08-11T01:26:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m looking forward to a day very soon when I will never again have to hear about what a candidate for office did or didn’t do during Vietnam. Time marches on. Now we’re hearing about what the candidates did or didn’t do during Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/351 "2024-08-11T02:27:03Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Now we’re hearing about what the candidates did or didn’t do during Iraq. Of course, there was no draft for Iraq, so it isn’t a default expectation that Gen X and Millennials would have fought in it and I’m hoping it’ll prove a less contentious issue over the next 20-40 years. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/352 "2024-08-11T03:00:30Z")
I feel terrible that Walz’ son is being dragged into the spotlight. Apparently he has a learning disability and anxiety. I hope that the Republicans leave him alone. Hope Walz appears to be OK with some publicity. Also she’s 23 which is miles different from 17. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/353 "2024-08-12T12:15:16Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Hope Walz appears to be OK with some publicity. It took me a minute to parse this sentence, as I’m hoping the same thing! (Then I remembered that the daughter’s name is Hope). ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/354 "2024-08-12T12:33:23Z")
If they could organize a rally/ class reunion of Tim’s former students and football players, it would be a stark contrast to trump’s rallies. There trump is surrounded by his “front row Joes”, a motley collection of tetched knuckle draggers, and then show a crowd of healthy Americans that’s genuinely joyous. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/355 "2024-08-12T12:51:07Z")
Today’s Chicago Trib had a curious editorial page. A highly critical piece “TW has been a disaster” by a St Paul corporate atty, above a favorable piece “TW’s greatest skill is adaptability” by and ex-Minneapolis newspaperman. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/356 "2024-08-12T13:08:06Z")
Today I learned that Harlan Crow (Clarence Thomas’ best buddy) funded the attacks on John Kerrys’ military record. No doubt he’s pouring more money into the attacks on Tim Walz, since it’s the same guy running it. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/357 "2024-08-12T13:20:22Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I hope that the Republicans leave him alone. You mean the Republicans who nominated a man infamous for mocking a disabled reporter? Those Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/358 "2024-08-12T14:54:36Z")
The people who displayed pictures of a man’s privates in Congress for no good reason? Those Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/359 "2024-08-12T15:34:57Z")
No, I mean the Republicans who mocked grieving parents of American soldiers killed in action. They would never stoop so low as to attack a disabled person. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/360 "2024-08-12T15:39:31Z")
Trump mocked a reporter for his disability, and the crowd cheered. It occurred in the 2016 campaign. [https://www.politico.com/video/2017/01/donald-trump-mocks-disabled-reporter-061897](https://www.politico.com/video/2017/01/donald-trump-mocks-disabled-reporter-061897) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/361 "2024-08-12T16:16:51Z")
What was that sound? Was it Mencken rolling over in his grave? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352/362 "2024-08-12T16:32:14Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > No, I mean the Republicans who mocked grieving parents of American soldiers killed in action. They would never stoop so low as to attack a disabled person. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump mocked a reporter for his disability, and the crowd cheered. It occurred in the 2016 campaign. My name is Poe, and _dammit!_ I’m the law around these parts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harriss-choice-of-tim-walz-as-vp/1005352.md?page=19)