# Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465 "2019-04-12T22:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/221 "2019-04-15T03:43:16Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You can go through my entire posting history I’d rather rub fiber glass in my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/222 "2019-04-15T04:03:06Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is quite a chickenshit dodge. > > … > > This is looking more and more like something you just made up. Knock it off. Both of these coments are out of line. The first as insulting and the second as an accusation of lying. Loathe though I am to moderate in a thread I’m participating in, I missed this earlier. This ends my participation. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/223 "2019-04-15T04:50:08Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > DAs do not certify city wide ballot initiatives. The city attorney will attest to the requirements being met, and the city leadership will then place the matter on the ballot working with the county and state election process. > > … > > She was the one acting as attorney general to certify that non existent microstamping technology was commercially available triggering inclusion on the CA roster. For that, she’s pretty terrible. > > But really, these are somewhat trivalities. It’s quite obvious Harris is anti. No need to reach for anything greater than that. > > Her status as a former peace officer doesn’t give her any greater ability or confer any additional privilege either. 9th circuit ruled on that in Silvestri. > > If she wants to possess and even carry a firearm for personal protection as she sees fit, good for her. I’d like to see her fight for the rest of CA to do the same in the manner they see fit. I’m not holding my breath. Remember that San Francisco is sorta unique in being the City AND County of SF. The County Board of Supervisors is also the City council. But yes, i concur with all your post. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/224 "2019-04-25T00:44:49Z")
Ok, Now Kamela comes out of the closet: > **[Pavlich on Kamala Harris’ gun control push: ‘She’s going after the Second...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pavlich-kamala-harris-gun-control-second-amendment)** > > TownHall.com editor Katie Pavlich, a Fox News contributor, weighed in on Sen. Kamala Harris’ pledge that, if elected president, she will sign a series of executive orders on gun control if Congress fails to pass comprehensive legislation in her... \*During a town hall hosted by CNN Monday night, Harris, D-Calif, said that if a bill from Congress did not make it to her desk, she would unilaterally mandate background checks for customers purchasing a firearm from any dealer who sells more than five guns a year. KAMALA HARRIS PLEDGES EXECUTIVE ORDER ON GUN CONTROL IF CONGRESS DOESN’T ACT IN HER FIRST 100 DAYS Dealers who violate the law, she said, would have their licenses revoked. The other executive orders would prohibit fugitives from purchasing a firearm or weapon, as well as close the loophole that allows some domestic abusers to purchase a firearm if their victim is an unwedded partner.\* Now, at first glance, that’s not crazy talk. Let’s make anyone who sells more than five guns a year a 'dealer" who has to do background checks. I got no issue with that. In fact, I kinda like it, gets rid of the ‘strawman" loophole. I do have a issue with a executive order for it, however. (The law doesnt define who is a gun "dealer’ who has to get a FFL, so a bright line of over five sales is reasonable) But Harris was DA, a AG even, so "_Dealers who violate the law, she said, would have their licenses revoked."_ means she hasnt actually read the law. \*Dealers \*who have a \*license \*must do a background check on all gun sales. Already if you fail to do so there are criminal and civil penalties. If you dont have a license, then they can’t take it away. > **[National Instant Criminal Background Check System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System)** > > The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a background check system in the United States created by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Law) of 1993 to prevent firearm sales to people prohibited under the Act. The system was launched by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 1998. Under the system, firearm dealers, manufacturers or importers who hold a Federal Firearms License (FFL) are required to undertake a NICS background check on prospective buyers be... Then there’s this “_The other executive orders would prohibit fugitives from purchasing a firearm or weapon…_” which is already against the law. [https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download) Now of course some will have doubts about Faux news, so: > **[Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control (Published 2019)](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/kamala-harris-gun-control.html)** > > Ms. Harris pledged to implement measures that have long failed to pass in Congress, including mandatory background checks and regulations on manufacturers. > **[Kamala Harris: 'I will take executive action' on gun control if I am elected...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/04/23/kamala-harris-promises-executive-action-gun-control-elected/3548859002/)** > > "Upon being elected, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to get their act together," Harris said. "Then I will take executive action." ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/225 "2019-04-25T00:46:40Z")
That seems more posturing than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/226 "2019-04-25T00:48:39Z")
> [@](#): > > …Now of course some will have doubts about Faux news, so: Let me be the first to solemnly swear I have no doubts about Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/227 "2019-04-25T03:02:49Z")
So, essentially, she isn’t going to grab any guns or do anything other than attempt to enforce the laws already on the books. Isn’t that what gun nuts are always clamoring about, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/228 "2019-04-25T04:34:32Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > So, essentially, she isn’t going to grab any guns or do anything other than attempt to enforce the laws already on the books. Isn’t that what gun nuts are always clamoring about, anyway? A Executive order is not a _attempt to enforce the laws already on the books_. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/229 "2019-04-25T04:34:56Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > So, essentially, she isn’t going to grab any guns or do anything other than attempt to enforce the laws already on the books. Isn’t that what gun nuts are always clamoring about, anyway? She doesn’t have the power to “grab guns” via an emergency declaration. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/230 "2019-04-25T04:58:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > As recently as the 20th century Bernie Sanders drove a gasoline-powered automobile, so I guess he’s out too. > > I guess it may be difficult to find a Democratic candidate with the same level of morality and sincerity as the Republicans. Laughing my ass off here… ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/231 "2019-04-25T05:24:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **RitterSport** , I appreciate your thoughts. My OP was directed more towards her risk assessment than an accusation of hypocrisy. You’ve made the case that she really has elevated risk above and beyond the average citizen. I don’t think I’m convinced of that. Do you have anything you’d like to add to support your argument on that point? Well, let’s see. There was whatsername in Arizona, then the Republican baseball team. I don’t know exactly how many players were on that team, probably 20-25? So that’s like about 3-5% of Congress that have been attacked by gun-wielding assailants in the last few years. I think it’s safe to say that’s dramatically higher than the frequency of such attacks in the general population. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/232 "2019-04-25T05:50:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A Executive order is not a _attempt to enforce the laws already on the books_. What exactly do you think an executive order is? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/233 "2019-04-25T13:15:49Z")
The meaning of “execute” the law has evolved. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/234 "2019-04-25T13:57:07Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Well, let’s see. There was whatsername in Arizona, then the Republican baseball team. I don’t know exactly how many players were on that team, probably 20-25? So that’s like about 3-5% of Congress that have been attacked by gun-wielding assailants in the last few years. I think it’s safe to say that’s dramatically higher than the frequency of such attacks in the general population. When was the last time a Senator was attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? The 60’s? Better yet, has a female Senator ever been attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/235 "2019-04-25T14:03:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > When was the last time a Senator was attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? The 60’s? Better yet, has a female Senator ever been attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? So a female Representative has a vastly different risk than a female Senator? That’s the turf you want to defend? Yeah, it’s been awhile since Senator Kennedy was shot. We can all relax. BTW, has anyone established she wants to carry her gun around with her, or is it just at home in case of intruders? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/236 "2019-04-25T14:04:29Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > When was the last time a Senator was attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? The 60’s? Better yet, has a female Senator ever been attacked by a gun-weilding assailant? Well there was this guy: [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/coast-guard-officer-domestic-terror-1176806](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/coast-guard-officer-domestic-terror-1176806) And this group: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/militia-border-new-mexico.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/militia-border-new-mexico.html) The inflammatory rhetoric of Trump and the right wing is creating these threats in real time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/237 "2019-04-25T14:06:20Z")
When was the last time a female Senator and former AG from California named Kamala Harris was attacked with a gun? Obviously, until we know this, we can’t evaluate whether she faces more danger than non-Kamala-Harris-named CA former AG Senators. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/238 "2019-04-25T15:27:19Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > What exactly do you think an executive order is? In this case,\* exactly as she claimed\*- It’s going outside the laws, with a Executive Order, bypassing Congress. what do _you_ think it is? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/239 "2019-04-25T15:33:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > When was the last time a female Senator and former AG from California named Kamala Harris was attacked with a gun? Obviously, until we know this, we can’t evaluate whether she faces more danger than non-Kamala-Harris-named CA former AG Senators. 😉 We must also take into account that although Harris could be described as “law abiding” up to this point, we don’t really know what that even means. Further, every criminal was law abiding until s/he committed hir first crime. Why, some here seem to think that Harris might even be the supposedly non-existent “good guy with a gun.” I think, that, on the whole obsessing over Harris having a gun is a waste of time . As a connected politician, she’d have one if she wanted it no matter what the law says. A good many congresscritters used to circumvent the law by having themselves deputized as US marshals until the AG put a stop to it 20 or so years ago. I’m sure Harris could manage something similar, if the law weren’t already in her favor. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/240 "2019-04-25T15:41:05Z")
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