# Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465 "2019-04-12T22:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/261 "2019-04-29T14:47:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Finally, wow, I never noticed how over the top angry Scumpup was until this thread; has this person been this fucking partisan and angry for a long time or is this a new thing? Guy is over the top and should really seek some therapy or take a vacation. I’m not sure why you felt the need to add this, but it’s not appropriate for this forum. If you want to take shots at another poster, do it in the Pit. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/262 "2019-04-29T15:52:33Z")
I for one applaud the OP for trying to fill Bricker’s “libz iz hypocritz” shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/263 "2019-04-29T16:42:24Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > You all on the left should probably see a chiropractor for all of the twisting and turning you are during to attempt to reconcile past posts on this board with your current support for Harris owning guns. Who are these posters? Can you show us the posts? These people sound really awful. Do they exist? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/264 "2019-04-29T17:05:57Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Interesting thread. > > Joining late, I will still add my two cents: > > Who gives a shit if she has a gun. As a liberal-leaning independent I am (and always have been) agnostic on gun ownership and believe it is settled law thanks to Heller and McDonald. Many of my friends who are card carrying, Sanders supporting Democrats also would not give a shit as many of them also own guns. In the main, democrats want regulation of guns, not an outright ban. This has always been my impression and I always thought it was strange that the GOP have painted Democrats as gun grabbers because I never saw this as a priority. Background checks, assault weapon bans, gun show loophole closure, sure, but banning guns? Never. > … We care for that same reason we give a Republican Evangelical Public Homophobe a hard time if he is found having gay sex. Is there anything bad about having gay sex? Nope. But there is a problem if you preach that gay sex is bad, but you’re having it in secret. Just like Harris preaches _we_ dont need a handgun for personal protection- but _she_ does. I will going out that a “assault weapon ban” is indeed a “gun ban”. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/265 "2019-04-29T17:28:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I for one applaud the OP for trying to fill Bricker’s “libz iz hypocritz” shoes. As your post followed that of Bones by about an hour, you should have refrained from personal attacks. Any further will get you a Warning. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/266 "2019-04-29T18:45:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Just like Harris preaches _we_ dont need a handgun for personal protection- but _she_ does. Half this thread has been discussing the dearth of cites for this claim. Do you have anything where she claims no one needs a handgun but her? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/267 "2019-04-29T19:00:08Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Half this thread has been discussing the dearth of cites for this claim. Do you have anything where she claims no one needs a handgun but her? In fact, it looks like the context of her remarks was that she believes that the debate on gun laws and safety should not come down to a binary “guns for everyone” or “guns for noone” discussion. The irony that Harris is saying that people can responsibly own guns is of course lost on the people who most vociferously argue that people can responsibly own guns. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/268 "2019-04-29T20:32:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > In fact, it looks like the context of her remarks was that she believes that the debate on gun laws and safety should not come down to a binary “guns for everyone” or “guns for noone” discussion. Well, at least Peter will be safe. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/269 "2019-04-29T22:33:46Z")
ISWYDT. Repent. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/270 "2019-04-29T22:44:15Z")
The silly thing is, even if her position were that no one should have guns, the fact is that people can have guns today, which makes it more dangerous for her as a public figure, presidential candidate, etc. If she were running for office in the UK, she would probably decide she didn’t need a gun, since they are much more rare there. So, she’s facing reality in the world as it is, which has a lot of guns in America, rather than as she (hypothetically) would like it. Of course, that’s apparently not her position. Strained analogy: It could be the position of the United States that there should be no nuclear weapons. The United States could work to try and get treaties negotiated and get other countries to get rid of their weapons. However, in the world as it is, other countries do have these weapons, so the US can’t unilaterally disarm. So, even if it were her position to ban all guns, she wouldn’t be hypocritical by having one for protection, given that other people have guns. And, even if it’s true that having a gun in your home is more dangerous on average, it’s obviously not going to be more dangerous for every specific case. And, the assault weapons ban is, of course, a gun ban on certain weapons, but it’s disingenuous to say someone who wants the AWB wants to “ban guns”. When the FDA bans some drug, no one would say the FDA has banned drugs, unless they want to be really misunderstood. I look forward to the English lesson coming, no doubt, but we all understand what I’m talking about. This whole thread is so annoying. The OP was really a sarcastic rant and should have been moved directly into the Pit anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/271 "2019-04-30T02:12:51Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Half this thread has been discussing the dearth of cites for this claim. Do you have anything where she claims no one needs a handgun but her? That’s my opinion based upon her history. But that wasnt the issue that cites were needed for it was the fact that Harris approved the SF handgun ban while she was DA there. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/272 "2019-04-30T02:59:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That’s my opinion based upon her history. But that wasnt the issue that cites were needed for it was the fact that Harris approved the SF handgun ban while she was DA there. ‘Fact’ huh? Are you sure that’s the right word? Also, didn’t you withdraw this claim? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/273 "2019-04-30T04:28:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That’s my opinion based upon her history. But that wasnt the issue that cites were needed for it was the fact that Harris approved the SF handgun ban while she was DA there. Again, what history? Your privision of “cites” showing she approved the handgun ban in SF stemmed from your exact assertion here, of her “guns for me, not for thee” stance. Given that was your only “proof” and has been thoroughly debunked, do you have anything more than your feelings? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/274 "2019-04-30T05:05:07Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > ‘Fact’ huh? Are you sure that’s the right word? Also, didn’t you withdraw this claim? No, I just decided to stop arguing it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/275 "2019-04-30T05:10:53Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Again, what history? Your privision of “cites” showing she approved the handgun ban in SF stemmed from your exact assertion here, of her “guns for me, not for thee” stance. Given that was your only “proof” and has been thoroughly debunked, do you have anything more than your feelings? My proof hasnt been debunked. Her face was on TV supporting the Prop. Unlike Feinstein, who went on record as saying Prop H was useless, Harris didnt speak out. But the fact remains she was DA of SF county when the law was proposed, put on the ballot on passed. Where is her record saying it was UnConstitutional then? Since is was so clearly unconstitutional that two court ruled unanimously and Even Feinstein and Gavin said it wouldn’t pass the courts. Why didnt Harris speak out then, if you are so sure she was against Prop H? But she did ban all new models of handguns while AG of CA. That’s on the record. Also: \*Harris is a cosponsor of fellow California Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban of 2019,” which bans 205 guns by name and targets the most popular rifle platform in the United States. She’s also a cosponsor of Feinstein’s bill to support red flag gun confiscation laws, as well as a bill from Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to ban “large capacity” magazines.\* > **[Kamala Harris owns a gun for protection. Here are 3 major Senate gun control...](https://www.theblaze.com/conservative-review/kamala-harris-owns-gun-protection-3-major-senate-gun-control-bills-supports)** > > At a campaign stop in Iowa, 2020 Democratic presidential candidate and California Sen. Kamala Harris stated that she owns a gun for protection.“I am a gun owner, and I own a gun for probably the reason that a lot of people do: for personal safety,”... ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/276 "2019-04-30T05:59:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But she did ban all new models of handguns while AG of CA. That’s on the record. Funny, I thought that was Schwarzenegger and AB 1471, passed in 2007. Just because the appropriate patents expired under Harris’ watch isn’t her banning guns - it’s her doing what is constitutionally and legally required. > [@](#): > > Also: > \*Harris is a cosponsor of fellow California Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban of 2019,” which bans 205 guns by name and targets the most popular rifle platform in the United States. > > She’s also a cosponsor of Feinstein’s bill to support red flag gun confiscation laws, as well as a bill from Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to ban “large capacity” magazines.\* > > [Kamala Harris owns a gun for protection. Here are 3 major Senate gun control bills she supports | Blaze Media](https://www.conservativereview.com/news/kamala-harris-owns-gun-protection-3-major-senate-gun-control-bills-supports/) From your own cite: > [@Kamala Harris](#): > > In terms of gun policy, though, I think that for too long and still today, we are being offered a false choice which suggests you’re either in favor of the Second Amendment or you want to take everyone’s guns away. Sounds almost entirely OPPOSITE of your claims. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/277 "2019-04-30T06:07:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > My proof hasnt been debunked. Her face was on TV supporting the Prop. Unlike Feinstein, who went on record as saying Prop H was useless, Harris didnt speak out. But the fact remains she was DA of SF county when the law was proposed, put on the ballot on passed. Where is her record saying it was UnConstitutional then? Since is was so clearly unconstitutional that two court ruled unanimously and Even Feinstein and Gavin said it wouldn’t pass the courts. Why didnt Harris speak out then, if you are so sure she was against Prop H? As for this: lack of condemnation is not a sign of support. I don’t know whether she was against it or not, and you have yet to remotely prove your point. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/278 "2019-04-30T12:17:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, I just decided to stop arguing it. It seems like you withdrew your claim. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Fine, I withdraw _my_ claim, since i dont feel like playing your stupid cite game… ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/279 "2019-04-30T12:24:59Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Funny, I thought that was Schwarzenegger and AB 1471, passed in 2007. Just because the appropriate patents expired under Harris’ watch isn’t her banning guns - it’s her doing what is constitutionally and legally required. > > … **DrDeth** , is **Chisquirrel** correct that Harris just did what was constitutionally and legally required under a law passed in 2007? If that’s the case then, “But she did ban all new models of handguns while AG of CA. That’s on the record” is, well, disingenuous at best, and not really debating in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/280 "2019-04-30T12:27:37Z")
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