# Kamala should run for president again in 2028 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [December 18, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774 "2024-12-18T02:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/241 "2025-01-04T05:50:04Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The OP comes across, to me, as having rose-colored glasses regarding Harris I don’t know…but it may be true that I have a soft corner for Kamala Harris and I really feel she would be a great president if elected. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/242 "2025-01-04T07:48:53Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > I hope Kamala runs for California governor, wins and then is in contention for 2028 democratic presidential nomination. Next governor’s election would be 2026 and there are already something like nine or ten people that have declared over 18 months out from the primary and more than that that are considering it. If she won, Harris would then likely have to start running for president in 2027 if she wanted to make a serious stab at it, if not even earlier. If she’s actively running for president in 2028, raising money and hitting the trail, she’s not going to be doing much governing in CA in 2027, let alone 2028. I admit to somewhat disliking politicians who run nakedly performative campaigns to gain a very short-term stepping stone. At least serve one full term before fucking off for your higher ambition and costing CA the expense of having a premature governor’s election for a half-term. Politics is a cynical game, granted. But even I have my limits on such things. If she did succeed in pulling that off I’d be inclined to say ‘fuck you’ and vote for a different nominee just out of annoyance. Of course I’d still vote for her in the general if she got the nomination, because better a drowned stoat than a MAGA Republican. But I probably wouldn’t support her nomination under those circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/243 "2025-01-04T08:09:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Hillary Clinton whom many despised and probably would have lost to a lobotomized wombat just from people voting against her. I thought she did? 🤪 Actually the election was fairly close. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The OP comes across, to me, as having rose-colored glasses regarding Harris, who is 0-for-1 on running for the Democratic nomination in an open primary, A lot of people throw their hat in early then drop out, Biden did also. So did several other winning candidates. That is not a big deal. Harris lost due to inflation and people not understanding economics. And having short memories. > [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > I hope Kamala runs for California governor, wins and then is in contention for 2028 democratic presidential nomination. Yeah- no. If you run for governor- and win- be governor. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > I admit to somewhat disliking politicians who run nakedly performative campaigns to gain a very short-term stepping stone. At least serve one full term before fucking off for your higher ambition and costing CA the expense of having a premature governor’s election for a half-term. Politics is a cynical game, granted. But even I have my limits on such things. I concur. ---
**Author:** ![Bbbb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5daacb/32.png) [@Bbbb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bbbb)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/244 "2025-01-04T10:38:29Z")
She knew Biden was jello brained and went along with his re-election attempt. She’s corrupt and incompetent, throw her in the trash. I don’t just mean about reading public opinion, we need to have standards and she has proved herself a piece of shit by jockeying supporting for dotards in government. The office of President is a big deal both these days, in the past, and the future in which our business leaders who operate businesses for three years in disadvantages communities can be rewarded. We need to put an end to “Weekend at Bernies” style stunts. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/245 "2025-01-04T11:05:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > There is no explaining the level of his appeal, his gravitas and his Nehemiah Scudder persona succeeding in the United States. Sorry, this just caught my eye, “gravitas”? Him? “dignity, seriousness, or solemnity of manner”? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/246 "2025-01-04T12:32:53Z")
> [@Bbbb](#): > > She knew Biden was jello brained and went along with his re-election attempt. Once again: Biden dropped out of the election because he had a terrible debate performance and was polling terribly. He didn’t quit as president though, because there is no evidence of “jello brain”; just that he couldn’t get his words out. Or, put it another way: if misspeaking a couple of times in his debate with Trump is evidence of dementia, what is Trump’s dozens of lies and talking about sharks and batteries etc and the so-called “weave”? > [@Bbbb](#): > > The office of President is a big deal both these days, in the past, and the future in which our business leaders who operate businesses for three years in disadvantages communities can be rewarded. I don’t know what you mean by this. The office of president has always been a big deal and who has operated businesses in disadvantages communities? ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/247 "2025-01-04T12:45:38Z")
> [@Bbbb](#): > > She knew Biden was jello brained and went along with his re-election attempt Perhaps, in hindsight, all democrats (except Dean Philips) including Obama were complicit in covering up for Biden’s obvious decline. How can Kamala alone be blamed ? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/248 "2025-01-04T13:05:50Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I don’t know what you mean by this. The office of president has always been a big deal and who has operated businesses in disadvantages communities? I think he’s talking about some RW talking point that the Ds reward carpetbaggers who briefly run businesses in disadvantaged communities to collect the D-sponsored gift money from the taxpayers. Likewise the fake “minority owned business” subsidies and government contracting preferences. It’s just another riff on the eternal RW whine about “Those welfare cheats stealing muh money.” Now a real president, IOW an RW one, would stop that nonsense the first day with an ~~executivee order~~ dictatorial flourish. That’s what a real and serious government would do. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/249 "2025-01-04T13:36:56Z")
If Kamala runs again and loses again, the Democrats are going to be _very_ embarrassed. Much more embarrassed than if someone else they run loses. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/250 "2025-01-04T14:07:47Z")
Re last post: Loses in the general election? Yes, except I do not think she would get that far. Moderates will vote for someone else, in the primaries, because there will be a more clearly moderate choice (maybe Gallego or Shapiro). Progressives will vote against her because they think the U.S. is too sexist and racist for a Black Asian woman to defeat MAGA. Democrats beyond labels will vote against her because she lost in 2024. I think it will help the Democratic brand for Harris to be defeated in the primaries, and that’s why I think Kamala should run for president again in 2028. If I am wrong, and she outshines the others in the primary season debates, then there is a new Harris with no embarrassment needed. But, more likely, there is a chastened Democratic Party in which she cannot win most primaries. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/251 "2025-01-04T14:31:15Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I think it will help the Democratic brand for Harris to be defeated in the primaries Why? What happens if, without running in the primaries, she instead endorses a particular candidate? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/252 "2025-01-04T15:00:10Z")
Then no big deal, it’s on the endorsee to win or lose their primary. Support from a past standardbearer and even better of their funders and in-party allies is one of those things that can be very good to have, but still it’s you who are on the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/253 "2025-01-04T15:36:42Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > Perhaps, in hindsight, all democrats (except Dean Philips) including Obama were complicit in covering up for Biden’s obvious decline Which are you claiming- Biden’s decline was obvious? Or that it was covered up? Further, you say “Biden’s obvious decline” I saw no decline let alone an obvious one. Can you provide cites or evidence showing an obvious decline? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/254 "2025-01-04T15:39:00Z")
Geez, an old man got older in a job that aged far younger men. No shock really. Be reasonable, most people though Biden was declining. Most rational people also thought Trump was declining. Both are too damn old to be President. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/255 "2025-01-04T15:50:09Z")
But one is far more criminal and dangerous than the other. America has spoken: They _like_ having criminals for presidents. Meanwhile, I spy two hobbyhorses. I for one choose not to ride. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/256 "2025-01-04T16:14:25Z")
No one in this thread said otherwise. I hope the Democrats could maybe find another Obama, but that is asking a lot. They could use a charismatic rising star more than a retread in 2028. I supported Kamala in her run, but she is not a top choice for me in 2028. 2028 seems very far off and I worry about the transfer of power in 2028. I suspect 2028 is too soon, but I really like rising star and new Senator, Andy Kim of NJ. Just one name I can throw out there. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/257 "2025-01-04T16:20:10Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Can you provide cites or evidence showing an obv > **[Redirect Notice](https://www.google.com/url?q=https:%2F%2Famp.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2024%2Fdec%2F30%2Fjoe-biden-decline-underreported)** "Undercovered and underreported. That would be, to me, Joe Biden’s obvious cognitive decline that became undeniable in the televised debate,” Crawford said in Sunday’s broadcast. One more by NYT … > **[Biden’s Lapses Are Said to Be Increasingly Common and Worrisome](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/us/politics/biden-lapses.html)** > > People who have spent time with President Biden over the last few months or so said the lapses appear to have grown more frequent, more pronounced and, after Thursday’s debate, more worrisome. One more… > **[Biden Cleared in Documents Case; Report Raises Concerns About His Memory...](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/us/biden-documents-special-counsel.html)** > > The inquiry found that the president had willfully retained material after finishing his term as vice president and had shared sensitive information with a ghostwriter. > **[Redirect Notice](https://www.google.com/url?q=https:%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2024%2F07%2F11%2Fpolitics%2Fjoe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry%2Findex.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/258 "2025-01-04T16:30:13Z")
> **hid hijack of thread** > > The cites obvioulsy are after the debate…but it is very clear there was a very substantial decline in the months if not years leading up to the debate. > > Unfortunately for the democratic party, no one including the VP, senators, cabinet members, or Obama/Pelosi…not a single one did what they did after the debate. And by then it was too little too late. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/259 "2025-01-04T16:33:45Z")
**Moderating** : Anything further on Biden should go to its own thread or a Biden Thread at least. This is not the subject of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/260 "2025-01-04T16:36:22Z")
My apology…I was,responding to a request for cites on Biden’s obvious decline. Will stop now on that topic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=14)