# Kamala should run for president again in 2028 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [December 18, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774 "2024-12-18T02:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/261 "2025-01-04T17:44:52Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I think he’s talking about some RW talking point that the Ds reward carpetbaggers who briefly run businesses in disadvantaged communities to collect the D-sponsored gift money from the taxpayers. Likewise the fake “minority owned business” subsidies and government contracting preferences. It’s just another riff on the eternal RW whine about “Those welfare cheats stealing muh money.” Possible, but I think it’s more likely to be a reference to Harris’ tendency to pitch absolutely bizarre policy plans. 2019 gave us pretty much what the poster wrote. [quote] Now Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., has released a plan to forgive student debt. Well, sort of. Borrowers will have a lot of boxes to check before they can get the $20,000 in student debt forgiveness on the table in her proposal. They will have to be 1)[a Pell Grant Recipient](https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/grants-scholarships/pell) who 2) starts a business in a disadvantaged community and 3) manages to keep that business afloat for at least three years. [/quote] > **[Presidential candidate Kamala Harris has a student debt forgiveness...](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/31/kamala-harris-has-student-debt-forgiveness-plan-but-its-complicated.html)** > > Borrowers will have a lot of boxes to check before they can get the $20,000 in student debt forgiveness in Kamala Harris' plan. "Compared to what we've seen from candidates like Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren, it's a much more narrow proposal," said... ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/262 "2025-01-04T17:57:19Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Progressives will vote against her because they think the U.S. is too sexist and racist for a Black Asian woman to defeat MAGA. I doubt this. (The reason. They may vote against her because she’s too moderate). I thought the U.S. was too racist to elect Obama, but I voted for him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/263 "2025-01-04T20:26:14Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Borrowers will have a lot of boxes to check before they can get the $20,000 in student debt forgiveness on the table in her proposal. > > They will have to be 1)[a Pell Grant Recipient](https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/grants-scholarships/pell) who 2) starts a business in a disadvantaged community and 3) manages to keep that business afloat for at least three years. [/quote] IMO, it’s that kind of excessive wonkiness focused at college-educated entrepreneurs that cost her with young people and the working class. Offers of loan forgiveness and tax credits don’t do much for you if being able to afford college was never an option in the first place, and institutional Democrats seem to refuse to accept that we no longer live in a world where a new house costs $10,000 and college tuition is cheaper than a new car. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/264 "2025-01-04T20:30:46Z")
Correct. The ones yelling the loudest that Black people shouldn’t be allowed to pursue higher office are at best “centrists” and more likely straight up conservatives in progressive clothing who want to normalize racism and sexism even further. After all that is the end result of their wanted policy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/265 "2025-01-04T21:37:20Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I hope the Democrats could maybe find another Obama, but that is asking a lot. Newsome. Harris didnt lose due to her race or her sex. She lost due to inflation in the early Biden years. This has been shown over and over. People do not understand inflation or even economics. They do understand the price of eggs. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/266 "2025-01-04T22:20:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > People do not understand inflation or even economics. They do understand the price of eggs. Is the price of eggs a metaphor or something? Even at $6/doz, that still seems pretty cheap. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/267 "2025-01-04T22:24:49Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Is the price of eggs a metaphor or something? Even at $6/doz, that still seems pretty cheap. Eggs in the USA went up quite a bit, due to inflation and especially bird flu. MAGAs were constantly harping about the price of eggs as if that was Bidens fault. > **[How It Started... How It's Going: Prices of eggs, milk, steak up since Biden...](https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/how-it-started-how-its-going-price-eggs-milk-steak-up-biden-took-office)** > > An examination of the prices of eggs, milk and steak over the previous three years shows how grocery store items are more expensive because of inflation. [https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article295975299.html](https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article295975299.html) Maybe you remember those little stickers on gas pumps with a pic of Joe going “I did that!” indicating Biden was the cause of high gas prices? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/268 "2025-01-04T22:32:35Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Eggs in the USA went up quite a bit, due to inflation and especially bird flu. Yeah, but who cares? A few dollars a week (if you eat a lot of eggs) isn’t the problem. It must be a symbol for “everything is more expensive.” (and I did read about those stickers, although I haven’t been to a gas pump since 2020) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/269 "2025-01-04T22:43:17Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, but who cares? A few dollars a week (if you eat a lot of eggs) isn’t the problem. It must be a symbol for “everything is more expensive.” The people who voted for trump. Inflation is why trump won. True, eggs were a symbol, sure- but since they went up more than inflation, they were used as a tool to elect trump. Should people base their votes on the price of eggs? No, of course not. The White House has little control over inflation. But people shouldnt vote for trump either. We arent talking about people who are entirely rational or who understand economics. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/270 "2025-01-04T23:08:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Newsome. Nepo baby who got into politics with Getty oil money, is related to the Pelosis, used to be married to Don Jr.'s girlfriend, and who looks like the evil real estate developer in a '90s family movie who wants to tear down the beloved community center to build luxury condos? No thanks. 2028’s candidate needs to be an AOC-type, not a Hillary Clinton type. (Also, there’s only one E in Newsom.) ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/271 "2025-01-04T23:36:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Newsome He will be unelectable outside the bluest of states. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/272 "2025-01-04T23:53:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I doubt this. (The reason. They may vote against her because she’s too moderate). Yeah, in my experience with progressives they hated her because she’s a former prosecutor and considered her a fascist. “ACAB!” “No better than Trump!” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/273 "2025-01-05T03:40:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nepo baby who got into politics with Getty oil money, is related to the Pelosis,… He is no more related to the Pelosi’s than i am to the Czar of all the Russias- _Newsom is the second cousin, twice removed, of musician Joanna Newsom. Newsom’s aunt was married to Ron Pelosi, the brother-in-law of former speaker of the United States House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi._ wiki The rest of your "facts’ are about of the same quality. > [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > He will be unelectable outside the bluest of states. They said that about Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/274 "2025-01-05T04:48:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He is no more related to the Pelosi’s than i am to the Czar of all the Russias My congrats on surviving the Bolshevik purge and staying out of sight for the last 108 years. > [@DrDeth](#): > > They said that about Obama. “They” being the establishment wing of the party that wanted Hillary Clinton and has gotten their way in every Democratic primary since. I.e. the people who would be backing Newsom. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/275 "2025-01-05T04:58:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My congrats on surviving the Bolshevik purge and staying out of sight for the last 108 years. There are hundreds if not more people living today related to the Czar. There were 53 Romanovs who escaped. But a **second cousin, twice removed , who was married to a former brother in law**? Legally that is not related at all. Give me a break. That is MAGA reasoning. > [@Smapti](#): > > “They” being the establishment wing of the party that wanted Hillary Clinton and has gotten their way in every Democratic primary since. I.e. the people who would be backing Newsom. You do realize that is only two primaries, right? And yeah, the people who would back a winner. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/276 "2025-01-05T05:00:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But a **second cousin, twice removed , who was married to a former brother in law**? You’re conflating two different people. The second cousin twice removed is not the same person as the aunt who married into the Pelosi family. > [@DrDeth](#): > > You do realize that is only two primaries, right? 2016, 2020, 2024. That’s 3. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And yeah, the people who would back a winner. Which is why we’re all looking forward to President Harris’ inauguration now that President Clinton’s second term is coming to an end, right? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/277 "2025-01-05T05:01:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re conflating two different people. The second cousin twice removed is not the same person as the aunt who married into the Pelosi family. wrong _Newsom is the second cousin, twice removed, of musician Joanna Newsom. Newsom’s aunt was married to Ron Pelosi, the brother-in-law of former speaker of the United States House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi._ wiki ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/278 "2025-01-05T05:04:31Z")
The “Newsom” in “Newsom’s aunt” is Gavin, not Joanna. You can tell this because she has her own Wikipedia page and it says she’s married (present tense) to Andy Samberg, not Ron Pelosi. > **[Joanna Newsom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Newsom)** > > Joanna Newsom (born January 18, 1982) is an American singer-songwriter and actress. > After recording and self-releasing two EPs in 2002, Newsom signed to the independent label Drag City. Her debut album, The Milk-Eyed Mender, was released in 2004 to acclaim and garnered Newsom an underground following. She received wider exposure with Ys (2006), which reached number 134 on the Billboard 200 and was nominated for a 2007 Shortlist Music Prize. She continued releasing albums with Have One on Me in... ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/279 "2025-01-05T13:37:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, but who cares? A few dollars a week (if you eat a lot of eggs) isn’t the problem. It must be a symbol for “everything is more expensive.” (and I did read about those stickers, although I haven’t been to a gas pump since 2020) It was a **big** deal; people like JD Vance even did press stunts holding up a carton of eggs. Inflation was the #1 issue, poll after poll said that, and eggs were the poster child of inflation thanks to being an everyday item that spiked particularly high (thanks to bird flu, but the average voter didn’t seem aware of this). > [@Smapti](#): > > Nepo baby who got into politics with Getty oil money, Yeah people will never vote for someone with inherited wealth, just ask Trump or Musk. And in terms of wealthy backers, politics in the US is hella expensive and everyone needs big backers at some point. Just ask Musk. I know an obvious response is that the left-wing is different; we don’t want to elect rich boys who are backed largely by corporate interests. I would agree with that sentiment but I also don’t think we should pre-emptively handicap ourselves, and I don’t think it matters that much with voters. Rightly or wrongly, a candidate’s history hardly matters at all compared to the messaging today. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/280 "2025-01-05T14:35:33Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > And in terms of wealthy backers, politics in the US is hella expensive and everyone needs big backers at some point. Just ask Musk. I think we (I mean democrats) have quite a few billionaire donors and supporters as well…starting from Soros to Bill Gates, Bloomberg and others. Are we not unduly focussed on Musk and kind of frightened/obsessed on him ? I am learning to ignore most Musk related things lately though it’s not easy as even here in India if I switch on the TV news, there is Elon Musk everywhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=15)