# Kamala should run for president again in 2028 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [December 18, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774 "2024-12-18T02:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/441 "2025-10-28T16:36:15Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > She was the one who said she couldn’t think of anything at all about the Biden administration that she would do differently. Huh? [Here is her plan](https://abcnews.go.com/Business/harris-unveils-economic-plans-inflation-housing-economists/story?id=112892305) that I distinctly remember coming out during her campaign. But then again, black women may be the most ignored demographic in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/442 "2025-10-28T16:39:47Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > so there was no “race loyalty” by Black men when 20% voted against her just because she was woman, and their macho persona responded to Mr Man in charge Translation please. Why do you think they voted against her “just because she was a woman” and not because they were more conservative (or whatever policy reason they might feel more closely aligned with Trump)? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/443 "2025-10-28T16:41:20Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > so there was no “race loyalty” by Black men when 20% voted against her just because she was woman, and their macho persona responded to Mr Man in charge I suspect that no small amount of it was based on economic considerations: a lot of swing voters, including members of minority groups who were likely to be harmed by Trump’s policies, voted for him anyway because inflation was high, and he promised to tame it. (He lied, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/444 "2025-10-28T16:47:10Z")
The fact that Kamala was a black woman was just about the only the thing that set her apart. If she was a white man, she would have been a totally forgettable, generic candidate. Other than her race and gender, there wasn’t really anything exciting about her or her policies that differentiated her from generic Democrats. There was not enough about her core personality that made her a good candidate. With nothing at the center for people to rally around, her race and gender became a hindrance. If the Republicans were running a bland, old, white guy, then she might have had a chance. But Trump has an undeniable charisma with a certain segment of the population that gets people to vote for him regardless of his policies and how they will affect them. Kamala was too bland and boring to get those kinds of voters on her side regardless of her race or gender. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/445 "2025-10-28T16:50:14Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > The fact that Kamala was a black woman was just about the only the thing that set her apart. If she was a white man, she would have been a totally forgettable, generic candidate. And for that reason, probably would have beaten Trump like Biden did. > [@filmore](#): > > Other than her race and gender, there wasn’t really anything exciting about her or her policies that differentiated her from generic Democrats. And in normal times, these are good points. But knowing what we were going to get in Trump, was she so horrible that people prefer four more years of Trump rather than her? After 8 years of Trump/Biden, boring ain’t a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/446 "2025-10-28T16:50:45Z")
I would think running for a 2nd term when he wasn’t up to it and not being more aggressive in prosecuting Trump and administration are pretty big failures, but its fine if you feel that the way. But the majority of Americans do not agree. Biden was very unpopular with independents. He was very unpopular with the youth. He wasn’t even particular popular with Democrats towards the end. I think it is an interesting and useful discussion to figure out why Harris lost and what Democrats need to do differently. But we run into several people here who look at Biden we these rose-colored glasses and just can’t fathom why anyone wouldn’t like him. They can’t fathom why people don’t like Harris. So they blame racism or sexism or propaganda or ignorance or the voters, and don’t listen to the many valid complaints people have about the party. It isn’t say those things are total non-factors, but how are you going to attract more voters if you take zero responsibility on issues voters have or express any willingness to change. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/447 "2025-10-28T16:57:18Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It isn’t say those things are total non-factors, but how are you going to attract more voters if you take zero responsibility on issues voters have or express any willingness to change. I assume we won’t attract more voters or win future elections. I hope I’m wrong. If the American voters couldn’t figure out that Harris was VASTLY superior to Trump in every possible way, I don’t have much faith in learning the lesson from that and adjusting. We’re fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/448 "2025-10-28T16:59:32Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I think it is an interesting and useful discussion to figure out why Harris lost and what Democrats need to do differently. Democrats still refuse to acknowledge why Hillary lost in 2016. Admittedly the situation is different as Hillary won the popular vote and Harris lost 6 million votes that went to Biden. But the commonality between the two is the complaint that they lost because Republicans voted for Trump. How dare they! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/449 "2025-10-28T16:59:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > But knowing what we were going to get in Trump, was she so horrible that people prefer four more years of Trump rather than her? Apparently, yes. Trump is white, male, ignorant, stupid, and evil; which is apparently what the American public _wants._ Kamala was too female, too dark skinned, too intelligent and knowledgeable, and insufficiently evil to appeal to the public. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/450 "2025-10-28T17:01:17Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > so there was no “race loyalty” by Black men when 20% voted against her just because she was woman, Cite? No evidence of your claim. 75% is a pretty solid majority. And my figure show only 15% voter for trump, about the same as are registered republicans. > [@filmore](#): > > With nothing at the center for people to rally around, her race and gender became a hindrance. If the Republicans were running a bland, old, white guy, then she might have had a chance. But Trump has an undeniable charisma with a certain segment of the population t .Well, she wasnt trump= who is certainly white and old. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump is white, male, ignorant, stupid, and evil; which is apparently what the American public _wants._ K No, the American voter wanted someone to tell them that they would “fix” inflation. In other words- lie outright. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/451 "2025-10-28T17:08:09Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > But knowing what we were going to get in Trump, was she so horrible that people prefer four more years of Trump rather than her? After 8 years of Trump/Biden, boring ain’t a bad thing. Unfortunately, the voters are not logical and rational. If Trump runs in 2028, he’ll probably have a pretty good chance of winning regardless of who the Democrats run. Anyone who’s concerned about him running a 3rd term is indirectly acknowledging that feeling. If the Democrats thought Trump would tank in 2028, they’d be pushing for him to get on the ticket so he’d suffer a huge defeat and a Democrat would be ushered into office. It seems clear that a generic Democrat will not garner enough votes to overcome whatever chaos monkey the Republicans put on the ticket. Sure, the core Democrats will vote for whoever is the Democratic candidate, but the votes of the fair-weather Democrats and the independents are much more mercurial and will probably go to the more exciting and emotionally engaging candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/452 "2025-10-28T17:12:36Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Unfortunately, the voters are not logical and rational. You’re too nice. American voters as a whole are ignorant idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/453 "2025-10-28T17:16:33Z")
That is an incredibly defeatist attitude. You got 48% of the vote this time and won the election last time and find it impossible to convince 1% of voters to switch side. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/454 "2025-10-28T17:17:45Z")
I find it unlikely. Never has there been such a stark contrast between good and evil. And we only got 48% of the vote. It should have been 98%. So, yes, I have a defeatist attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/455 "2025-10-28T17:20:45Z")
Fair-weathered? These aren’t sports teams. Voters should be mercurial. You actually do have to earn votes and not just expect blind loyalty. I don’t think lack of excitement is a problem. It is lack of convincing voters that you will make their lives better. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/456 "2025-10-28T17:31:36Z")
Never? We had that whole civil war thing. Swinging from one extreme to another is actually pretty common in politics, so your doomerism lacks basis in history. I would prefer to understand why Biden became so unpopular (which has very little to do with Trump) and see what we can do about it so we can win future elections. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/457 "2025-10-28T17:41:01Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I would prefer to understand why Biden became so unpopular (which has very little to do with Trump) and see what we can do about it so we can win future elections. Biden was unpopular with me at the end. Not because of his policies, but because of his obvious age-related issues. I certainly would have voted for him over Trump, because I’m not an idiot. Others felt differently for reasons I’ve never understood. That’s the thing. It doesn’t matter what’s wrong with Biden, or Harris, or anyone else. A vote for Trump is indefensible for any rational person. Yet here we are. What is it we’re trying to understand and adapt to? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/458 "2025-10-28T17:41:16Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I would prefer to understand why Biden became so unpopular US corporate media is conservative propaganda across the board. They are hyper-critical of Biden and sane-wash Trump like it’s their job. “Mainstream” outlets are basically where Fox News was 15 years ago. Worse in some ways. Most people don’t actually know wtf is going on in politics, so they get the vibes for which the media sets the tone. This is almost entirely the cause of the backlash against Biden, who by normal American standards had a very successful presidency. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/459 "2025-10-28T18:12:57Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Huh? [Here is her plan](https://abcnews.go.com/Business/harris-unveils-economic-plans-inflation-housing-economists/story?id=112892305) that I distinctly remember coming out during her campaign. It was her own words on The View. [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/harris-biden-the-view-00182883](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/harris-biden-the-view-00182883) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774/460 "2025-10-28T18:47:45Z")
Honestly not a surprise. Like George W. Bush she was not a good off-the-cuff speaker. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-should-run-for-president-again-in-2028/1011774.md?page=24)