# Kanicbird. Yeah, It's probably pointless, but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711 "2009-01-30T14:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/201 "2009-02-05T22:21:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not if you alienate people. Do you REALLY think Jesus would want that? > > You’re also referring to a time when what was thought to be posession by demons is now known to be caused by disease, or mental and/or physical ailments and conditions. I’m an epileptic. Back then, I’d have been exorcised. Are you telling me that demons are causing my seizures, or is it caused by a brain condition? :rolleyes: > > Jesus’s message was basically “don’t be an asshole”, and unfortunately, too many people decide instead to use him and Christianity as a “Get Out of Hell Free” card, which disgusts me. Rather than, “Love your neighbor, help the poor and unfortunate, etc,” people decide to go around and tell everyone they’re going to hell unless they believe this or that way-that’s fucked up. > **Jack Batty** -which one, **Omegaman** , or **Kanicbird**? I wasn’t refering to anything other than your desire to find love with another human being. Tell me I’m lying. Man, woman, doesn’t make any difference as far as I can tell. See, you don’t even know what I’m refering too. I know you seek love as we all do. There is no get out of hell free card for me. I know what I’ve done and every time I pass by a mirror and look in my eyes I remember every fucking second of it. At least **Kanicbird** can see forgivness, and for that I have the greatest admiration for him. He can see past all of the hate of this world. Me? Not so much. That all you got? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/202 "2009-02-06T00:15:06Z")
kanicbird, have you ever considered that you might be mentally ill? I’m not saying you are. I am saying that you might be. I have an idea as to what it might be, but I’m no doctor. Do you have medical insurance? If you are getting messages from places other than the Lord, it might be good to block them out. I know for a fact that there’s a bunch of medicine that’s really good at shutting that kind of thing out. Before it gets louder. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/203 "2009-02-06T01:06:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not if you alienate people. Do you REALLY think Jesus would want that? By the Word is sharper then any double edged sword, it divides. You can quickly tell what side someone is on by using the Word. It is not alienation (but God does use that on occasion), but division of light and darkness. > [@](#): > > You’re also referring to a time when what was thought to be posession by demons is now known to be caused by disease Yes medical science has clouded the truth. Demons are real and cause illnesses (among other things), if you don’t believe that you stand in contradiction to the Words of Jesus. Jesus, being God and all, was not making this stuff up, He knew what He was talking about. I have never witnessed a epileptic demon be cast out, but I have witnessed a demon cast out that prevented someone speaking, who was able to speak after. Medical science goes after a physical cause, but often there are underlying spiritual reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/204 "2009-02-06T01:14:50Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes medical science has clouded the truth. Demons are real and cause illnesses (among other things), if you don’t believe that you stand in contradiction to the Words of Jesus. Jesus, being God and all, was not making this stuff up, He knew what He was talking about. I have never witnessed a epileptic demon be cast out, but I have witnessed a demon cast out that prevented someone speaking, who was able to speak after. Medical science goes after a physical cause, but often there are underlying spiritual reasons. … Check, please … ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/205 "2009-02-06T01:15:02Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > kanicbird, have you ever considered that you might be mentally ill? > > I’m not saying you are. I am saying that you might be. I have an idea as to what it might be, but I’m no doctor. Do you have medical insurance? If you are getting messages from places other than the Lord, it might be good to block them out. I know for a fact that there’s a bunch of medicine that’s really good at shutting that kind of thing out. > > Before it gets louder. Thanks for your concern E-Sabbath, but the messages are accurate to future events and again match scripture. I am told something and it happens in a way that I have no way of causing. Let me turn it around back at you. Do you realize that the power of God is real and exactly as it is described in scripture and, here is the best part, it is available to everyone who seeks God, it’s not just for kanicbird. But for those who don’t seek they will not see it. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/206 "2009-02-06T11:53:18Z")
If he speaks to me, I’m listening. I haven’t heard anything yet. kanicbird, why are you the only person on this planet who hears these messages? If you are getting messages that are accurate to future events, doesn’t this make you a prophet? If so, shouldn’t you be doing something? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/207 "2009-02-06T12:07:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > My understanding is Jonah died, existed in the pit (Sheol). When you die you don’t need to breath as you can’t die, but it is very unpleasant. > > It’s not a allegory, nor is the flood, we just don’t understand the world that we live in, science has mislead us further from what the world really is. > > As for your bibles saying whale instead of fish, as long as the translation is a honest attempt to translate God’s Word my understanding is it’s all good. I suggest you use math. to figure out the amount of rain that fell per minuet, then figure how much moisture would have to evaporate because 29,000 feet of water covering the entire earth would need to cover Mt Everest, Then evaporate to 15,000 feet for the ark to land on top of Ararat. If you figure they were all on a boat for nearly a year the bugs,etc. would have been eaten by the birds, lizzards etc. The trees and all plants being under water for all that time with all the pressure from 29,000 feet of water could not survive. The evaporation itself would have made the Ark very damp and then when the animals swam to the new world and to Australia etc it would have been quite a feat. I suppose science in your belief is also wrong about a round earth? If believing that helps you then fine, it works for you!!! ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/208 "2009-02-06T12:10:01Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I suggest you use math. to figure out the amount of rain that fell per minuet… But can you say what that would be in gigues, gavottes or bourrees? (I’m so sorry) ETA: I’m only playing this for yuks instead of replying to kanicbird, because frankly post #203 has stunned me into silence. Score one for Jesus, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/209 "2009-02-06T12:10:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes: > > Satan is the head of the kingdom of death/darkness, he rebelled against God to try to glorify himself, by trying to get followers. God allows this, just as we can go our own way and try to glorify ourselves (note God considers Himself God, but also demons and man as ‘gods’). Acknowledging the truth of Satan’s existence is not the same with being obsessed with evil. What you are saying is God wanted evil to exist and that is why he created Satan and demons. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/210 "2009-02-06T12:24:37Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > [Maybe she could sing about it](http://mog.com/shinsaholic/blog/102626). That was a totally different circumstance. I do not believe that Mary concieved any child of God but in my interpretaion,she was rejoicing at carrying the child of God. And her respose was one of concent even though it was supposed to be known ahead of time by God that she would accept. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/211 "2009-02-06T12:28:43Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > What you are saying is God wanted evil to exist and that is why he created Satan and demons. Of course God wanted evil to exist. How else would we exercise free moral agency? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/212 "2009-02-06T12:35:03Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > By the Word is sharper then any double edged sword, it divides. You can quickly tell what side someone is on by using the Word. It is not alienation (but God does use that on occasion), but division of light and darkness. > Yes medical science has clouded the truth. Demons are real and cause illnesses (among other things), if you don’t believe that you stand in contradiction to the Words of Jesus. Jesus, being God and all, was not making this stuff up, He knew what He was talking about. I have never witnessed a epileptic demon be cast out, but I have witnessed a demon cast out that prevented someone speaking, who was able to speak after. Medical science goes after a physical cause, but often there are underlying spiritual reasons. Jesus didn’t consider Himself any more divine than any other human He used the psalmist to state this when accused of Blasphmey. He is quoted as saying He and the Father are one, but a man and wife are also considered to be one. Most of His usage of the Father was saying your Father and mine. He surely didn’t think much of the Pharisees who thought they were the example to follow and thought of every one who didn’t believe or practice their way was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/213 "2009-02-06T12:44:44Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > By the Word is sharper then any double edged sword, it divides. You can quickly tell what side someone is on by using the Word. It is not alienation (but God does use that on occasion), but division of light and darkness. > Yes medical science has clouded the truth. Demons are real and cause illnesses (among other things), if you don’t believe that you stand in contradiction to the Words of Jesus. Jesus, being God and all, was not making this stuff up, He knew what He was talking about. I have never witnessed a epileptic demon be cast out, but I have witnessed a demon cast out that prevented someone speaking, who was able to speak after. Medical science goes after a physical cause, but often there are underlying spiritual reasons. I know someone who was in a mental hospital because she couldn’t speak; after treatments she could.(She belived she was struck dumb for telling a lie). There are people who go into deep depression who can’t even get out of bed, but after medical treatment they are able to live normal and happy lives. No demon possession was found. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/214 "2009-02-06T12:47:10Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Of course God wanted evil to exist. How else would we exercise free moral agency? By being sufficiently well designed that we’d freely choose to do good. We certainly aren’t well made to engage in a consistently moral, civilized life. And if designing people/arranging things so they will act a certain way doesn’t qualify as “free moral agency”, then your own idea that God arranged things so that there would be evil means that we don’t have “free moral agency”. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/215 "2009-02-06T14:27:54Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > If he speaks to me, I’m listening. I haven’t heard anything yet. > > kanicbird, why are you the only person on this planet who hears these messages? If you are getting messages that are accurate to future events, doesn’t this make you a prophet? If so, shouldn’t you be doing something? I am not the only person on the planet who gets these messages, but it is just as it is stated in scriptures: [QUOTE=Matthew 13:14] In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. [/QUOTE] A mixed group of believers and non-believers can see a event of God, only the believers will remember it. I have witnessed this. One non-believer had actual memory loss (blackout) during that time that she sought medical attention over. If you want to truly know God through Jesus and see the real power of God, It appears you have to be ‘let in’ by God, this is done by seeking Him and (for me) He sent a believer to let me in to the hidden things of God. If you are interested I suggest you pray that God open your eyes to Him, if you want I will also intercede. Prophecy is just one of multiple gifts of the Holy Spirit as stated in scriptures. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/216 "2009-02-06T14:29:49Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I know someone who was in a mental hospital because she couldn’t speak; after treatments she could.(She belived she was struck dumb for telling a lie). There are people who go into deep depression who can’t even get out of bed, but after medical treatment they are able to live normal and happy lives. No demon possession was found. While you don’t know if a demon was found (people can pray that you would never know about), yes medical science and for that matter witchcraft can cause such a effect, I never denied the power of medical science. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/217 "2009-02-06T14:35:08Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Jesus didn’t consider Himself any more divine than any other human He used the psalmist to state this when accused of Blasphmey. The Psalm He quoted is also the Word of God which calls all men gods (sons of Most High IIRC) > [@](#): > > He is quoted as saying He and the Father are one, but a man and wife are also considered to be one. Most of His usage of the Father was saying your Father and mine. Yes this too > [@](#): > > He surely didn’t think much of the Pharisees who thought they were the example to follow and thought of every one who didn’t believe or practice their way was wrong. He called the Pharisees children of the devil, which they are, they blocked people from coming to God, putting themselves in place of God as in you would go to them to speak to God and to hear from God, and the Pharisees impose burdens on the people that God never commanded. This still happens today in churches. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/218 "2009-02-06T14:41:25Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Those kinds of people always seem very special to me. I mean, I have the sins of my father? Later on, he goes on to say/imply that the reason God punishes the children is (partly) because it hurts the father. Hmmm…interesting concept here. Gawd punishes the children because it hurts the father. Conclusion: Gawd is a masochist. After all, isn’t Gawd “Our Father who art in heaven…”? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/219 "2009-02-06T14:43:25Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > What you are saying is God wanted evil to exist and that is why he created Satan and demons. The reason why God created angels (including ones that fell and became demons) is a bit unclear. They were created to serve God in some capacity, and it appears they are sent to serve God by serving humanity to some respect. My own theory is that some of them were suppose to take care of us in the world, provide for us and care for our bodies in their service to God. Again this is a theory with very little scriptural basis, but not contradicted by scripture as far as I know. Some of them, Satan included didn’t like that job and wanted us to do it for ourselves (note Eve was tempted by wisdom, beauty, as well as resources (food) outside the channels that God provided), they thank him for it (worship him instead of God). As such we are moving to a (fallen) world that depends on man’s efforts more then God’s provisions. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/220 "2009-02-06T15:27:37Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Of course God wanted evil to exist. How else would we exercise free moral agency? Is your God not omnipotent? Why did he create a universe in which it is not possible to have freedom without suffering? It’s not as if human will is the cause of _all_ pain and despair. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=12)