# Kanicbird. Yeah, It's probably pointless, but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711 "2009-01-30T14:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/241 "2009-02-06T22:38:33Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > I can’t go to a Southern Baptist church and sit and listen anymore without calling bullshit on what they teach: which makes me a pretty unpopular person. Scripture (NT) speaks to this, how to object, what to do with differing opinions of faith. God knows that people don’t always agree, He’s OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/242 "2009-02-06T22:50:21Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You’ve obviously never played _[The Sims](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sims_2)_. Characters in the SIMS are not real. I’ve never played the game, but as I understand it, it’s not unlike writing a story. I’ve done that; in fact I’m working on a story now. The two main characters suffer a lot, because I am God of their universe and my purpose in creating it is to craft a story which I, and hopefully others, find engrossing. But if I believed they had any real existence outside of my own imagination–that they were ensouled beings–there’s no way that I’d put them through all the crap I do. The little girl with the abusive father? She’d have been rescued the first time her dad raised his hand to her, and the dad would have been eaten by a lion or something. But I possess the capacity of compassion, which **kanicbird** ’s god does not. **kanicbird** worships a deity who was willing to send bears to kill and presumably eat children for making fun of his prophet’s bald head. **kanicbird** worships a deity who let Jephthah sacrifice his daughter to him. Who was willing to murder untold legions of Egyptian children to make a point about–I don’t know, his penis size, I suppose. Thank goodness that deity is as imaginary as Zeus & Wonder Woman. Though actually it’s too bad that Wonder Woman is imaginary. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a hot, probably bi-sexual, semi-pacificist super-heroine running around in hot pants & a bustier? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/243 "2009-02-06T23:02:02Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Scripture (NT) speaks to this, how to object, what to do with differing opinions of faith. God knows that people don’t always agree, He’s OK with that. Agreed, but other people aren’t always okay with that. It’s not my place to tell a woman that God did not call her to preach, for example: and I don’t believe it’s the church’s place. That’s God’s call. I wasn’t called, but I believe women are all the time. The church I grew up in does not believe that, and the people will look at you funny if you even mention it. I feel like an alien. It’s hard to go into any church to worship God when other congregants view you as a freak. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/244 "2009-02-06T23:07:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God can’t change who He is, He is Love. He desired to Love us to the absolute max possible. \*Baby, you know I don’t like to hurt you, but you just make me so mad sometimes. I get jealous because I love you so much. When you don’t listen to me, it makes me crazy. That’s just how I am; you knew that when we started this thing. I can’t change. But you know I love you. You know that, right? Now go get yourself cleaned up.\* ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/245 "2009-02-06T23:10:45Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God can’t change who He is, He is Love. He desired to Love us to the absolute max possible. From scriptures it appears for this level of Love God would have to die for us. This would require us to be in such a hopeless position that God would need to die, thus achieve the max level of Love for us possible. What utter bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/246 "2009-02-06T23:22:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God can’t change who He is, He is Love. He desired to Love us to the absolute max possible. From scriptures it appears for this level of Love God would have to die for us. This would require us to be in such a hopeless position that God would need to die, thus achieve the max level of Love for us possible. Thank you for making the serious problems with the basic tenets of all Christian faith so very clear. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/247 "2009-02-07T00:02:28Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > Agreed, but other people aren’t always okay with that. It’s not my place to tell a woman that God did not call her to preach, for example: and I don’t believe it’s the church’s place. That’s God’s call. I wasn’t called, but I believe women are all the time. The church I grew up in does not believe that, and the people will look at you funny if you even mention it. I feel like an alien. > > It’s hard to go into any church to worship God when other congregants view you as a freak. I do agree that is a big problem in many churches, The Lord did recognize one such church (Thyatira Rev 2 18-29), it looks like the Lord Himself will deal with this and the people involved, while sparing those who don’t hold to her teachings. The Lord did not forsake such a church, such a church might need you to help show the way. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/248 "2009-02-07T12:02:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I am not the only person on the planet who gets these messages, but it is just as it is stated in scriptures: > > A mixed group of believers and non-believers can see a event of God, only the believers will remember it. I have witnessed this. One non-believer had actual memory loss (blackout) during that time that she sought medical attention over. > > If you want to truly know God through Jesus and see the real power of God, It appears you have to be ‘let in’ by God, this is done by seeking Him and (for me) He sent a believer to let me in to the hidden things of God. If you are interested I suggest you pray that God open your eyes to Him, if you want I will also intercede. > > Prophecy is just one of multiple gifts of the Holy Spirit as stated in scriptures. You seem to forget the scriptures were written by human beings ,human beings can and do make mistakes, and even tell fables. Using scripture for an argument just proves you believe in the persons who wrote it, and no reason to believe any God had a voice in it. It is not God but your belief that it is God who speaks to you and as I stated if it helps you fine, but He has a way of telling other people a whole different thing than you. That is why there are so many different religions. Muhammed is said to have God dictate a whole book to him. Just saying anyone who hears, or believes differently than you, is an egotistical way of looking at things. You took the word of the believer, not the word of God. If God is a spirit and if He is Holy then why send a Holy spirit separate from Himself? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/249 "2009-02-07T12:11:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The reason why God created angels (including ones that fell and became demons) is a bit unclear. They were created to serve God in some capacity, and it appears they are sent to serve God by serving humanity to some respect. My own theory is that some of them were suppose to take care of us in the world, provide for us and care for our bodies in their service to God. > > Again this is a theory with very little scriptural basis, but not contradicted by scripture as far as I know. Some of them, Satan included didn’t like that job and wanted us to do it for ourselves (note Eve was tempted by wisdom, beauty, as well as resources (food) outside the channels that God provided), they thank him for it (worship him instead of God). As such we are moving to a (fallen) world that depends on man’s efforts more then God’s provisions. Would you create a Monster that you knew ahead of time that he would devour your children? Why would God create a being he knew ahead of time that he would rebel? God must have wanted evil to exist because He knew that Satan would be evil so then God is responsible for the evil that is in the world. I in the small amout of knowledge that I posess would not do so. It is hard to imagine an all knowing being creating anything or one that He knew ahead of time would be evil and decided to use it to play games. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/250 "2009-02-07T12:17:14Z")
> [@Ensign\_Edison](#): > > Thank you for making the serious problems with the basic tenets of all Christian faith so very clear. If God died then He is still dead. If a spirit dies it would be as dead as any animal or plant. Jesus being dead for 36 hours could hardly be called a death. Death is a permanent thing. If a human spirit leaves the body and goes into either a place of suffering or pleasure then it is spirit that lives on, so God already being spirit would be in either place where ever that is! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/251 "2009-02-07T12:30:41Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > Jonah 1:17, KJV: > > Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. > > Fish. Not whale. Just like we don’t know if Adam and Eve ate an apple off the Tree of Knowledge. It could have been a banana. But that would make for a funny looking painting. 😃 The Bible I read said whale,but even so, a fish that was big enough to swallow a man and the man stayed in it’s belly for 3 days would have a heck of a time breathing and hopefully it had no stomach acids. apparently God also stopped the fish’s digestive system so Jonah would survive! God must have wanted Adam and Eve to stay stupid because He didn’t want them to learn anything. That sounds to me trying to make a slave of some one so they couldn’t know the truth. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/252 "2009-02-07T12:36:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > While you don’t know if a demon was found (people can pray that you would never know about), yes medical science and for that matter witchcraft can cause such a effect, I never denied the power of medical science. You do not know if a demon is there either, you just like to believe there is for some reason. Medical Science has a better record than an exorsist. I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/253 "2009-02-07T12:54:45Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > You seem to forget the scriptures were written by human beings ,human beings can and do make mistakes, and even tell fables. Using scripture for an argument just proves you believe in the persons who wrote it, and no reason to believe any God had a voice in it. That is a lie from the pit of hell, in the name of Jesus leave it there. Here is the Word of God: [QUOTE=2 Timothy 3:16] All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, [/QUOTE] God uses men to do His work on earth, it is God working through us. If God is real, and He wants us to know Him, it only makes sense that He would give us instructions on how to find Him. It also makes sense that the scriptures God gives us would accurately describe His power that is available to us, which it does - I have seen and experienced the power of God just as written in scriptures, no watering down, no shoehorning it in, but, with the exception of names, it is reading the exact experience. God also states **very clearly** that these will be hidden to those who have no faith. I was shocked by this the first time I experienced it, how hidden it really is. > [@](#): > > If God is a spirit and if He is Holy then why send a Holy spirit separate from Himself? The Holy Spirit is fully God all the time, He is never separate from God As for Muhammed, the starting premise is incorrect, God would not need to send a revision, and such teachings are warned against in the Word. If Allah were really God, He could get us His Word exactly how He wants. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/254 "2009-02-07T13:07:21Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Would you create a Monster that you knew ahead of time that he would devour your children? Why would God create a being he knew ahead of time that he would rebel? God must have wanted evil to exist because He knew that Satan would be evil so then God is responsible for the evil that is in the world. > > I in the small amout of knowledge that I posess would not do so. It is hard to imagine an all knowing being creating anything or one that He knew ahead of time would be evil and decided to use it to play games. All men are in ways ‘created monsters’ already with the capacity to devour His children. We have had the capacity to rebel and like Satan all men have used it IMHO. God does not want robots, I don’t think He could Love them as much as us. Also robots could not Love God as we do once we come back to Him. Through this life He teaches us what Love really is. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/255 "2009-02-07T14:39:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > That is a lie from the pit of hell, in the name of Jesus leave it there. Here is the Word of God: > > \ All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,\> > > God uses men to do His work on earth, it is God working through us. Everything that I have written in this post is the absolute truth of the universe which cannot be disputed. You are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/256 "2009-02-07T15:39:50Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God uses men to do His work on earth, it is God working through us. Explain the evil done in the name of God. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/257 "2009-02-07T15:58:31Z")
**KanicBird** your “logic” doesn’t make any sense, and you change whenever it is convenient for you to do so. Take your assertion that illnesses are cause by demons, but are also able to be affected by modern medicine. That means that Demons are able to be affected by chemical interactions, or that their work is easily undone. Either implies that demons have a physical existence of some sort to be able to affect a physical change. My rather childish knowledge of physics tells me that to affect material change you need at least the physical mass of electricity, and since we can observe that, we ought to be able to observe a demon, and yet we’ve never seen one. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/258 "2009-02-07T15:59:57Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As for Muhammed, the starting premise is incorrect, God would not need to send a revision, and such teachings are warned against in the Word. If Allah were really God, He could get us His Word exactly how He wants. If God of the Old Testament was really God, he could have gotten it right the first time instead of having to send Paul and the evangelists and a few others to amend (or reinterpret) the original. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Christians who speak Arabic call on Allah, not the English word “God” or the French word “Dieux.” Allah is not different from God. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/259 "2009-02-07T16:02:36Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > **KanicBird** your “logic” doesn’t make any sense, and you change whenever it is convenient for you to do so. Take your assertion that illnesses are cause by demons, but are also able to be affected by modern medicine. That means that Demons are able to be affected by chemical interactions, or that their work is easily undone. Either implies that demons have a physical existence of some sort to be able to affect a physical change. My rather childish knowledge of physics tells me that to affect material change you need at least the physical mass of electricity, and since we can observe that, we ought to be able to observe a demon, and yet we’ve never seen one. Au contraire. Here’s a [photograph](http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ann_coulter02.jpg)of a demon who has been forced to assume corporeal from and then bound, presumably by the action of an archangel. More seriously, does anyone think we’re doing anything other than either amusing **kanicbird** or contributing to his persecution complex? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/260 "2009-02-07T16:41:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > That is a lie from the pit of hell, in the name of Jesus leave it there. Here is the Word of God: > > > [@](#): > > > > 2 Timothy 3:16 > > All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, Oh yeah? Well every single one of my posts was first breathed by one god, and then _copy-edited_ by another god, so not only are my words useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training, they also taste delicious poured over cereal, stop mosquito bites from itching, and can strip paint from metal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=14)