# Kanicbird. Yeah, It's probably pointless, but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711 "2009-01-30T14:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/261 "2009-02-07T16:41:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Au contraire. Here’s a [photograph](http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ann_coulter02.jpg)of a demon who has been forced to assume corporeal from and then bound, presumably by the action of an archangel. The archangel Ativan, one presumes, renowned far and wide for his extraordinarily strong resistance to the gag reflex. > [@Cervaise](#): > > Oh yeah? Well every single one of my posts was first breathed by one god, and then copy-edited by another god, so not only are my words useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training, they also taste delicious poured over cereal, stop mosquito bites from itching, and can strip paint from metal. But can they strip metal from paint? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/262 "2009-02-07T16:48:17Z")
That’s crazy talk. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/263 "2009-02-07T17:20:06Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God also states **very clearly** that these will be hidden to those who have no faith. I was shocked by this the first time I experienced it, how hidden it really is. This is silly. Have you ever seen an automobile, machine, computer or other device that said in the manual “this only works if you believe in the laws of thermodynamics, electronics and other sciences”? Things are true and demonstrable or they are not. You do not have to believe in them for them to work. As far as we can see God has never been shown to do anything out of the ordinary. > [@](#): > > As for Muhammed, the starting premise is incorrect, God would not need to send a revision, and such teachings are warned against in the Word. If Allah were really God, He could get us His Word exactly how He wants. You are right in that your starting premise is incorrent. “Allah” is the same as “God”. It is just “God” in another language and it refers to the same God of Abrahm which Christians worship. So, yes, your premise is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/264 "2009-02-07T17:21:06Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > That’s crazy talk. Good point. We wouldn’t want any crazy talk in the thread… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/265 "2009-02-07T17:25:30Z")
Good. As long as we understand each other. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/266 "2009-02-07T17:34:58Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > 2 Timothy 3:16 > All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, “I never tell lies. Therefore, everything I say is true. You know that it is, because I never tell lies, and I wouldn’t lie about a thing like that.” Sounds like circular logic to me. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/267 "2009-02-07T17:40:04Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > “Allah” is the same as “God”. It is just “God” in another language and it refers to the same God of Abrahm which Christians worship. So, yes, your premise is wrong. Allah is not the same God, Allah is a demon from hell leading people away from Jesus. This is evident in the story of creation (Genesis 1-3vs. the enemy’s interpretation in the Koran), and also with the use of the word ‘we’ when Allah, self proclaimed single god (very common with demons to use 'we [QUOTE=tomndebb] If God of the Old Testament was really God, he could have gotten it right the first time instead of having to send Paul and the evangelists and a few others to amend (or reinterpret) the original. [/QUOTE] There is NO revision, the Word stands, while heaven and earth will pass away not one pen stroke of the Word will disappear. > [@](#): > > Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Christians who speak Arabic call on Allah, not the English word “God” or the French word “Dieux.” Allah is not different from God. God goes on what your heart is saying. If you call Jesus Allah and you are worshiping the Deity who died for your sins and rose again you are praying to God. If you pray to the demon Allah that Mohamed worshiped you are praying to that demon no matter what name you call him. [QUOTE=Acid Lamp] KanicBird your “logic” doesn’t make any sense, and you change whenever it is convenient for you to do so. Take your assertion that illnesses are cause by demons, but are also able to be affected by modern medicine. That means that Demons are able to be affected by chemical interactions, or that their work is easily undone. [/QUOTE] Note I put witchcraft, with it’s many potions, in the same category as modern medicine, Yes we can effect the spiritual with the physical. We can see this with things of God as well, the Lord’s Supper, the handkerchief that Paul sent to someone who was healed by it, anointing oil. It goes to how it is healed, what goes into the cure, is it Love - then that cure is of God, or is it money or other god, then it is of demons and sells that person into bondage (pharmaceuticals are a perfect example of bondage. trading a demon for slavery) [QUOTE=runner pat] Explain the evil done in the name of God. [/QUOTE] What ‘evil’ are you referring to? Please note that God goes by the heart, not the mouth, just because someone says it is done in the name of God does not mean it unless his heart is referring Jesus, who is the God of Love and as such no evil can be done in His Holy name. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/268 "2009-02-07T17:52:44Z")
Well, I’m out. If I eat one more bite of Crazy Bread, I’ll explode. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/269 "2009-02-07T18:00:44Z")
**kanicbird** , are you living in the same world as the rest of us? Every evil that can be conceived of has been done countless number of times in the name of God by people who are convinced that God wanted them to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/270 "2009-02-07T18:05:38Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > There is NO revision, the Word stands, while heaven and earth will pass away not one pen stroke of the Word will disappear. Then what was the point of the new Covenant? Just God’s way of livening things up a bit? I’m not even going to touch that “Allah is a demon” stuff, except to say this: logic tells us that if all false gods are demons, the chances that you gambled on the one that _isn’t_ a demon are comfortably under 1%. Hope you didn’t bet big. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/271 "2009-02-07T18:18:25Z")
You guys are actually debating **kanicbird** , as if he were in any way open to logic, as if somehow you possess the one voice of reason that can break through all the insanity, where so many have failed? You must be new around here. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/272 "2009-02-07T18:19:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Then what was the point of the new Covenant? Just God’s way of livening things up a bit? The old covenant (OT) is technically a way, but one that we can not follow. It is the Law with all it’s rules, if you break one you break them all. It was put into effect by (IMHO fallen) angels, with God as a mediator. Because Eve followed the path of Satan he got to enforce such rules. It ran through those angels, not direct from the common man to God. The NT is the way that Jesus provides for us by Him following all the laws of the OT and dieing sinless. We get in because He paid the price for our sin, so the OT’s price for our sin is covered. Even in OT times the NT way was available, though few found it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/273 "2009-02-07T18:20:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Please note that God goes by the heart, not the mouth, just because someone says it is done in the name of God does not mean it unless his heart is referring Jesus, who is the God of Love and as such no evil can be done in His Holy name. Also known as the “No True Omnipotent Scotsman” fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/274 "2009-02-07T18:22:39Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The old covenant (OT) is technically a way, but one that we can not follow. It is the Law with all it’s rules, if you break one you break them all. It was put into effect by (IMHO fallen) angels, with God as a mediator. Because Eve followed the path of Satan he got to enforce such rules. It ran through those angels, not direct from the common man to God. The NT is the way that Jesus provides for us by Him following all the laws of the OT and dieing sinless. We get in because He paid the price for our sin, so the OT’s price for our sin is covered. > > Even in OT times the NT way was available, though few found it. Is this the teachings of a specific church, or did you make it up as you went along? Do you have a name for your religion? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/275 "2009-02-07T18:23:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The old covenant (OT) is technically a way, but one that we can not follow. It is the Law with all it’s rules, if you break one you break them all. It was put into effect by (IMHO fallen) angels, with God as a mediator. Because Eve followed the path of Satan he got to enforce such rules. It ran through those angels, not direct from the common man to God. The NT is the way that Jesus provides for us by Him following all the laws of the OT and dieing sinless. We get in because He paid the price for our sin, so the OT’s price for our sin is covered. > > Even in OT times the NT way was available, though few found it. Based on the below, then, you’re saying that the OT is still on the books, but unenforceable. Sounds like a bit of a cop-out. > [@](#): > > There is NO revision, the Word stands, while heaven and earth will pass away not one pen stroke of the Word will disappear. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/276 "2009-02-07T18:39:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Based on the below, then, you’re saying that the OT is still on the books, but unenforceable. Sounds like a bit of a cop-out. Fully enforceable and enforced. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/277 "2009-02-07T18:43:11Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Fully enforceable and enforced. Except for the price of sin thing, which is a pretty big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/278 "2009-02-07T18:43:41Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > **Originally posted by Kanicbird** in [THIS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=503870) thread. > > You are fucking tool, and an example of everything that is insane about your fucked up religion. It is solely the existence of people like you that has retarded the advancement of humanity. I hope you choke on a wafer, or whatever stand in you use for your ritual cannibalism. You really think that this is a typical example? So I can assume that every Obama supporter chains himself to trees naked and thinks pets should have civil rights, because I hung around Berkeley for a while? I’ve messaged Kanicbird before about the proselytizing, but he thinks he’s reaching the people on the fence. Mind you, I’m one of the more churchified people here, but I’m not down with his approach, or, it seems, some of his beliefs. My overall point is that slagging billions of people because of one tool on the internet is overkill on a billions scale. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/279 "2009-02-07T18:44:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is this the teachings of a specific church, or did you make it up as you went along? Do you have a name for your religion? The Church at Corinth IIRC, but all of them including Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippa, Colossi, Thessalonica, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Saddis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea, should hold to those teachings. It is not a religion, as that is made by man, but a faith in God through Jesus, sometimes called the way. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/280 "2009-02-07T18:46:39Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Except for the price of sin thing, which is a pretty big deal. In what respect? Death is required for sin. Either the person must pay or accept Jesus paying for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=15)